Pistons

[bigrpowr]

Care to elaborate?

:whs:

this piston was re-engineered. how much i cant say, but it was. this, at the the moment is proprietary info. maybe the re-engineering was simply bowl work, i cant answer that, but the intent of the re engineering was to PREVENT the stress cracking that has been inherent from stock to built motors. this piston was built well beyond the needs of elite, i promise. ill just be happy to see them last if they do. im ***king tired of broken pistons.

 

[Powerstroked162]

Yes new bowl design... are you saying there is some other problem with this piston?

Yeah, nothing bearing on Elite or Mahle at all.

Wrist pin size is a big one. It's obviously a ford issue but a true performance piston would strength those areas. For example, the 6.0 wrist pin measures something like 1.338 vs the 6.4 at 1.515. The piston skirt of the 6.4 just doesn't have much support around that area. What's even funnier is that the 6.7 engine Ford built went to a 6.0 wrist pin.... Food for thought.

The Mahle pistons are ford replacements. Nothing is different other then the bowl.

 

[derrick36]

We did not go through ford to get them. We went through mahle. If mahle is going to use this for new stock pistons, its an after thought from what Im told. I wasnt trying to mislead anyone at all. My biggest point was this was a newly designed piston, changed from the "stock" that all of us are used to seeing: with the pyramid in the bowl and thin protruding lip. New design, not the same piston altered.

Your original post that I quoted is the one that I was questioning. It made the pistons sound as if they were completely scratch-made vs. OEM ones that were just improved upon.

Those are two totally different things.

 

[bigrpowr]

Ya. The material of the piston isn't strong enough for a performance spplication

yeah, no cast piston really is. and no hard anodizing is gonna fix it either. just ask the BBC guys with the ross pistons.

 

[jdgleason]

Ok. Just the way I see it, these are the same pistons that EVERY 6.4 runs. Including the fastest powerstroke on the planet, Shone's truck, Montrellas, etc. There are so many trucks over 1k horse on bone stock pistons its nuts. For a factory spec piston which is obviously developed with cost in mind, it does damn good. There maybe a little room for improvement, sure, but I wouldnt go as far as to say its a BAD piston. I see the biggest weakness in the piston being the bowl... and it appears as if that could be a thing of the past. 99% of the population will never have an interest or a need for anything more than what this piston will handle.

 

[jdgleason]

Your original post that I quoted is the one that I was questioning. It made the pistons sound as if they were completely scratch-made vs. OEM ones that were just improved upon.

Those are two totally different things.

The psiton is still a mahle piston, so any way you slice it, it will most likely have similarities. But it is a differently designed piston. This is like calling the 6.4 an improved upon 6.0...

 

[Powerstroked162]

The psiton is still a mahle piston, so any way you slice it, it will most likely have similarities. But it is a differently designed piston. This is like calling the 6.4 an improved upon 6.0...

Again, the bowl is redesigned, NOT the entire piston

 

[bigrpowr]

Again, the bowl is redesigned, NOT the entire piston

and you know this how? i know there are other changes, just cant honestly say what they were because i know nothing about piston design.

 

[derrick36]

The psiton is still a mahle piston, so any way you slice it, it will most likely have similarities. But it is a differently designed piston. This is like calling the 6.4 an improved upon 6.0...

I'm not sure your analogy works for what I'm saying. The way I took your post is that Mahle took an blank 6.4 piston(no bowl machined yet)and completely machined the bowl to Elite's specs from scratch.

What it seems like White_Monster is saying is that they take a Mahle OEM piston that is already machined for an OEM application and then machine it further to Elite's specs.

If I'm reading this wrong I apologize.

 

[bigrpowr]

this piston is a complete new casting!! it is not the original 6.4 piston. material has been added and material has been removed. period. the details are not gonna get given at this time, but anyone who hold both in their hands will know. why would mahle build a new casting???

 

[Powerstroked162]

and you know this how? i know there are other changes, just cant honestly say what they were because i know nothing about piston design.

I own a telephone, I have eyes, I have friends who are Mahle dealers. Plus your boys at Elite seem all to eager to chat up their new stuff to whoever calls asking , as they should be, so I hear things here and their.

It's not a dig at Elite, It's not from Doug. I'm just saying lets call a spade a spade.

 

[bigrpowr]

I own a telephone, I have eyes, I have friends who are Mahle dealers. Plus your boys at Elite seem all to eager to chat up their new stuff to whoever calls asking , as they should be, so I hear things

It's not a dig at Elite, It's not from Doug. I'm just saying lets call a spade a spade

well.. you dont know what you are talking about in this situation. im glad the phone has enlightened you. doug knows all... LOL

 

[jdgleason]

I'm not sure your analogy works for what I'm saying. The way I took your post is that Mahle took an blank 6.4 piston(no bowl machined yet)and completely machined the bowl to Elite's specs from scratch.

What it seems like White_Monster is saying is that they take a Mahle OEM piston that is already machined for an OEM application and then machine it further to Elite's specs.

If I'm reading this wrong I apologize.

You took my post right, and that is what I am saying, as this is what I was told. I have to confirm this, but this is what I thought.

 

[jdgleason]

I own a telephone, I have eyes, I have friends who are Mahle dealers. Plus your boys at Elite seem all to eager to chat up their new stuff to whoever calls asking , as they should be, so I hear things here and their.

It's not a dig at Elite, It's not from Doug. I'm just saying lets call a spade a spade.

Im not sure what youre getting at...? Did I mis represent anything? Or have I at all exaggerated or stretched the truth?

 

[Powerstroked162]

well.. you dont know what you are talking about in this situation. im glad the phone has enlightened you. doug knows all... LOL

What was it you told me once?... Don't believe everything you hear?

It's not even worth arguing with you about. Love you boo

JD, that wasn't a dig at you. I think you do a good job for elite, especially on the net side.

 

[bigrpowr]

What was it you told me once?... Don't believe everything you hear?

It's not even worth arguing with you about. Love you boo

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i believe what i know.

 

[Powerstroked162]

i believe what i know.

So do I

 

[Erikclaw]

So do I

So basically you are calling Elite and Tadd a lairs. They say these are machined to different specs and are 30% stronger but you say it isn't. What is your proof? Is it cause they are the competition, you don't like them and you need to talk chit?

 

[derrick36]

So basically you are calling Elite and Tadd a lairs. They say these are machined to different specs and are 30% stronger but you say it isn't. What is your proof? Is it cause they are the competition, you don't like them and you need to talk chit?

I'm definitely not calling anyone a liar but the 30% stonger claim seems a bit unsubstantiated if there is no evidence on the true strength of the stock pistons. How would someone even be able to gauge the 30%? Is there a definitive figure where the stock pistons let go? If there is and these let go at a 30% higher number I'll take it, but without that it just seems kinda made up.

On top of that, it looks like 2 people(Powerstroked162 & White_monster)have done their fare share of research on these pistons(just like anyone should whose looking to purchase a high-dollar item). What they're finding out and what the vendor who is selling the product are saying could end up being 2 different things. That's a pretty big deal if thats the case.




BTW, where did someone say "30% stronger"? I must have missed that.

 

[powr2stroke]

I'm just happy to see somebody is attempting to make the damn things better .