Pistons

[09stroker]

What kind of numbers are you looking for exactly??

 

[derrick36]

Well maybe you'll be happy in a few years when somebody puts 200k on a stock engine.

Why do people coat pistons? There's no proof that the coating lasts nor any proof that it really helps. But they do it trying to be as safe as possible. Sone people want the best opportunity , and being Tadd is an engineer, I'll take his word as I don't have my own educated guess as you don't either.

I'm not unhappy by any means. I think its great that there are new products coming out for the 6.4. That does not mean I can't question the validity of the claims.

The only thing I know of Tadd is that I've seen his name in plenty of magazines. If I new him on a personal level, maybe I'd be able to push the "I believe" button. Because I'll probably never get the chance to meet him, nor does he probably care to meet me, I'll have to settle for seeking answers on these forums.

I definitely don't have an educated guess. Isn't that the best reason to ask questions?

As far as your coating question. I have no idea.

 

[bigrpowr]

^^^^^

This post makes sense. There is no way to prove it. I just want the best chance at no failure. If you want that , which would you take your chance on? The one that has failed in many many stock tucks

 

[Dzchey21]

They are $1250 as compared to $1050

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I guarantee I know less than anyone on this board, so I hope you're not lumping me in with the group who "assumes" they know more.

One of the points I was trying to make earlier is that without a definitive number of when the stock pistons give out, you cannot say these are stronger. You can only say they're different. I'm sure you hope they're stronger, but if they're made out of the same material as the stockers there's no way of knowing whether they're better or worse.

One of your own employees pointed out the fact that there are stock pistons that are living just fine at 1000hp. Along with that, there are stockers or small tuned trucks(275hp or less) that have cracked pistons in the past. I don't think anyone has come up with a sure-fire recipe for why some crack and some don't.

Now you come along and tell us that these are stronger than the OEM versions. What proof do you have of that? Have you done any side-by-side testing? If so, what were the results?

If these are thought to be insurance to the OEM pistons, how do I know they're worth the extra $$$? Just because you're telling me they're machined differently?

I don't think you guys are trying to pull a fast one on the consumer by selling a product that isn't what it seems. I just think that your claim of a superior product might be a little premature without details as to why its better.



As of now they're not better and they're not worse. They're just different.

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[derrick36]

What kind of numbers are you looking for exactly??

If that question was directed at me. The HP numbers or simply the reasons why the stock pistons let go.

I haven't seen that yet.

It's been proven that the stock pistons can go pretty damn far, but its also proven that they crack in stock applications.

 

[Dzchey21]

^^^^^

This post makes sense. There is no way to prove it. I just want the best chance at no failure. If you want that , which would you take your chance on? The one that has failed in many many stock tucks

There really isnt, there are plenty of common rail dodges running coated pistions and they still melt if an injector hangs or whatever, or even just high egts for a long period of time.

Has it been proven that a coated piston will last longer than a non coated? I doubt that someone has gone out, ran 1700 egts on a dyno for as long as the motor would stand and then tore the engine down, rebuilt and tried with a different piston... just too much money involved. SOOOOOO in theory nothing is really "proven" but im sure there has been tests done like Elite has done. Im sure the rate of common rail piston failure has gone down since piston coating otherwise no one would keep doing it but you get my drift about actually proving that it works.

Anyway i have no dog in this hunt, if i ever melt a piston im putting a junkyard motor in it

 

[derrick36]

^^^^^

This post makes sense. There is no way to prove it. I just want the best chance at no failure. If you want that , which would you take your chance on? The one that has failed in many many stock tucks

Honestly, until there is some sort of proof, I would take the ones that are tested and proven to the highest HP levels.

Which ones are those?

 

[powr2stroke]

All we can honestly do is hope that these will be better .

 

[09stroker]

If that question was directed at me. The HP numbers or simply the reasons why the stock pistons let go.

I haven't seen that yet.

It's been proven that the stock pistons can go pretty damn far, but its also proven that they crack in stock applications.

Well you obviously can't simply use HP numbers, there's too many other variables involved.

And the reasons why and the changes done to the pistons have already been stated.

Sounds like you want strength in a definite answer like 73 piston strength units lol

 

[derrick36]

Well you obviously can't simply use HP numbers, there's too many other variables involved.

And the reasons why and the changes done to the pistons have already been stated.

Sounds like you want strength in a definite answer like 73 piston strength units lol

If there is no answer, why should I buy these? Because someone says they're better? I know there's no number. I also know there's no way(until proven)to say these are better.

 

[forcefed6.4ford]

What I want to know is how much the lip has been strenghtened. Cut back or thickened? Has the main casting of the piston been altered (just more mass)? Whether the metallurgy has been changed for more tensil strenght?

 

[forcefed6.4ford]

I realise that the likelyhood of these questions being answered are remote. I just put them up that in the hopes that if someone may choose to chime in they have an idea of what I was looking for to be cleared up.

 

[derrick36]

I realise that the likelyhood of these questions being answered are remote..

It shouldn't be a remote chance that these questions are answered. We have an engineer and 2 well-to-do(and very respected)businesses working on these things. If there are answers, someone in the development process has them.

I don't believe Elite would put a product out that is unproven and untested and call it better for no reason other than to make a buck. Maybe I'm just not asking the right questions...

 

[bigrpowr]

Maybe you should let it go.

 

[Jeff@Spartan]

Maybe you should let it go.

Why should he? There are more than 1 or 2 people that would like questions answered it seems. Isn't that what discussion forums are for?

 

[JMart]

If there is no answer, why should I buy these?

Maybe you shouldn't and just leave it at that. If you don't understand how someone can engineer something with the intention to improve its capability you wont get the results you are looking for, for a few more years.

 

[derrick36]

Maybe you should let it go.

I don't understand why you want me to drop this. I know you have a vested interest into everything Elite, but I haven't done anything to tarnish their track record.

I'm simply asking questions due to two different things being said about the same product. I'm not entitled to anything. All I can do is hope that the other person/people on the other end of the internet that are selling these products will have some answers to my questions.

If I don't get those answers, I'm not going to complain, nor am I going to try and discredit anything the seller is doing.

But like I said earlier, I cannot just take someone's word for it if that same someone has no proof other than they're different.

 

[Dzchey21]

Maybe you shouldn't and just leave it at that. If you don't understand how someone can engineer something with the intention to improve its capability you wont get the results you are looking for, for a few more years.

I don't understand why you want me to drop this. I know you have a vested interest into everything Elite, but I haven't done anything to tarnish their track record.

I'm simply asking questions due to two different things being said about the same product. I'm not entitled to anything. All I can do is hope that the other person/people on the other end of the internet that are selling these products will have some answers to my questions.

If I don't get those answers, I'm not going to complain, nor am I going to try and discredit anything the seller is doing.

But like I said earlier, I cannot just take someone's word for it if that same someone has no proof other than they're different.

I get what you are saying, but honestly you arent going to get the answer you are looking for, so like Jmart said you are just going to have to wait for results

Personally if i was tadd, i wouldnt give out any information on the pistons just to prove a point on the internet. Just not worth it.

 

[Jhaddox]

Maybe you should let it go.

It's useful info IMO to be answered...Look at what Rudys truck is doing...all that abuse on stock, coated flycut pistons and has never had a problem

 

[bigrpowr]

Why should he? There are more than 1 or 2 people that would like questions answered it seems. Isn't that what discussion forums are for?

Because the only answers anyone are gonna get for now have been posted.

Answer me this... Why would anyone hard anodize when there is NO proof it's a stronger piston? I don't think anyone with more questions will be satisfied. My advice is wait until someone else proves to their liking or comfort level. It's obvious there is no real data.