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Message: [QUOTE="Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto, post: 804178, member: 8143"] Personally I'm with Wayne. I've never liked the Idea of 4r swaps. Even in the drag trucks it's only worked with mild success. Rudy's truck has never ran faster that it did with a 5r. At the point that your breaking shafts in the 5r you'll still be breaking shafts in 4r's. They are very similar on input, intermediate, output shaft size and torque converters. In a daily driver I really do not think it is worth it. I mean I don't see how anyone would like to get rid of cruise and look at cel all the time. Sure the 4r does work, but so does a 5r for 99% of all powerstroke owners. Like Dustin said, resale falls, operator convenience worsens and in all reality total power handling capacity is not any higher. I just don't see going to a 4r unless gunning for the 9's in a race truck. And in that scenario I would really be looking at a full racing trans setup like a lenco. If your really serious about it. [/QUOTE]

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