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Message: [QUOTE="SINNER, post: 196652, member: 100"] That statement is not 100% accurate. What Brian says is he does not recommend the increased capacity pans if you do nothing with the cooling system. His claim is that once the fluid gets hot during a hard run the stock system takes too long for the temps to drop back to normal. If you add additional cooling capacity they work well according to Brian. I do not agree with his assessment of the stock system being inadequate on the 5r's as I think his opinion is based on the clearly inadequate 4r cooling system. My 5r has run consistently 10-20* cooler with a Mag pan even when I towed my 15k boat. And to the original question it's not so much the HP as the transmission tune. I would bet a John Woods tuned trans would handle 550-600hp 2 times as long as some of those other "tuners" trans strategy would handle 450hp. [/QUOTE]

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