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Message: [QUOTE="TARM, post: 1425456, member: 578"] Gosh guys its sooo simple. Look turbos are going to be better than the 38R and I would hope so. But there is a difference in calling one turbo superior to another and calling one turbo a POS and the other one GOds own breath. That is ALL I am trying to get across. You do not have to **** kick a one poruct just to make the other product better than it. THey can both be very good but one can be better. How hard is this to understand. Why did I give a SH!T to even post in one of "these" types of threads? Most people on here that know me know I do not partake in pissing matches. The issue here is people that have no idea are going to read this and think damn I will not touch a 38R they can not handle even 30% injectors and are always hot and smokey. No one is saying that the people on here which is what 2-3 that had real issues and they saw what they saw. Well at least I am not. But no one with even a sliver of common sense can look at 10 yrs of outstanding feedback from hundreds on these forums and then say the 38R is bad or a POS. Sorry if a person believes that then there is no trying to reason with that person at all. But at the same time this does not mean that the SXE or whatever it is not superior to the 38R when it comes to air flow or turbine back pressure whatever. Think about guys that had issues. How is it that all these other people did not see anything like what you have had happen with basically ever size injector as that has been made? What you guys do not seem to get is its 100% entirely possible to make a change that fixes an issue yet that peice that was changes was not actually what was the problem or what could have been changed and it not been fixed. Further that it might have been a specific turbo unit not the whole damn line. Mistakes in product runs happen. Now I am not saying any of this is what happened but you can not deny all the people that have had great success with the 38R just because you did not and the SXE fixed the "symptoms? of your problem. FACTs: People have run the 38R with stock thru 400% and b code and never had issues when properly tuned with egts or excessive smoke during low load. How do you explain that fi the 38R is so bad? You do realize that you can pull fuel so far back you can stall the engine in park right? SO how exactly can you not pull enough fuel back if the hpop etc is all working correctly and trans is shifting right to prevent hazing when cruising or at lowish load? If it can be done with 200% and stock turbo how do you think it can not be done with a turbo that moves more air. AGain so no one things I am calling them a lair. I fully beleive you had these issue and when you change the turbos they went away. I am just saying a properly functioning 38R does not have these issues if everything else is right. SO maybe it was that turbo. Maybe something in connection with it. Maybe it was something else that when adding more air and faster spool up took care of it. Whatever who knows. Your probelms have been fixed/ Can we not all be happy your issues where fixed with the swap? Two things are true: 38R has served many many people very well and is one of the most durable turbos out there. IT has run well with all sorts of injector setups. There are turbos even in the same basic size that can out flow the 38R on both ends. These turbos make great additions to a setup. IF this directly above is all that was said I doubt anyone would have given it a second thought. But when you start claiming numerous negative things about a piece that has been around as long as the 38R and so many people have run them without issue all because your single sample size or a couple had issues people are not going to let that fly. Becaue they KNOW FOR A FACT its not true about the 38R as a whole. Lets face it you guys have only seen the issue with your turbo and in your setup. So excactly how does that match up statistically with hundreds if not thousands of others that never had these issues with many going well over 100K of use? SO lets put this to bed. There are turbos that flow better than the 38R but the 38R has a very long and good rack record but it did not work well for everyone. A few did seem to have issues. Hows that? Everyone happy now. No more pissing in the pot for this thread?? Now I am going back to the business of enjoying my gtx42 LOL [/QUOTE]