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Message: [QUOTE="Tree Trimmer, post: 479055, member: 716"] i remember that thread. i just re-read it to refresh my memory. if by quite extensively, you mean two dyno runs, i must be confused with what extensively means. or was there other testing that was done, but the results were not post worthy? that was the one that started where the "testing process" and validity of powerstroke connections results got flamed pretty hard and the resulting numbers questioned, your argument with dockboy, and ended right when bigr was getting ready to go on the dyno. the result of which, was pretty much the start of this thread. he lost power and spool. which was backed up by 08BIGRIG's results. also in this thread. though not so big of a loss, which was speculated as a result of him not coming from the 6.0 mani's, but the 6.4. now, for me to say that bigr's truck is a "real world" test truck, i cannot. that truck is about as far from real world as you can get. one off and custom best explains that truck. doesnt change the fact that it lost a considerable amount of hp. its a fair assumption to make based on the results shown so far, that the "CURRENT" batch of manifolds that are out that have been tested, in what would be considered a valid test, lost power. it was proven by numbers and pretty lines in graphs. it is also a fair assumption, that your doin everything you can to redesign with the needed modifications, to make the improvments needed to meet the goals you boasted have already have met. people bought this product expecting the results claimed, and turns out you changed some design internally to your manifold for the production run and apparantly it backfired on you. (i remember reading that somewhere on here, im sure someone a little more search savvy than me could find it if you feel im wrong, i looked but could not relocate it.) now you have paired up with tadd, and a few other shops, to make this thing live up to the hype AFTER it was released, instead of before. how much of that was inaccurate? not trying to sound like a dik, just stating what it all reads like. and another question. how did you and your testers, not test your manifolds against the others out, before release? if you think about it, solely based on the tests provided, your manifold didnt out produce a stock manifold. 6.4 or 6.0, with the 6.0 being the current go to, manifold wise. having the background you have stated rather clearly in your linked thread, you would think that was obvious pre-release step to take. you dont seem like the kind of guy that desires to make a product that fits somewhere in between other products. also, i re-read my last couple posts, and i come across kind of dikish. thats un-intentional. just throwing that out there. inflection is hard to get across through type. [/QUOTE]