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Message: [QUOTE="mikeeg02, post: 1470224, member: 24194"] [ATTACH=full]172754[/ATTACH] Thats what I am talking about, and when the cap comes loose, yes there is the steel lug nut still holding the wheel. The problem is as the cap gets loose, it can spin over the actual steel nut holding the wheel on. But it may not come loose enough to easily pull the cap off whats holding the wheel. Generally, when the cap comes loose, its because someone has used a metric socket on a standard lug, or vice versa. (Too many shops have a flip socket on their impact, either in standard or metric, not always both. I see it alot) The other thing that happens is the steel nut corrodes and the cap swells. Then you cant get the appropriate size socket on, and then when you go to turn it, it will come loose, but the retainer will keep you from easily removing it. Which again, further is amplified/made more complicated by aluminum wheels that have recessed lug nuts, then it is hard to pull them out, and often the torch is the only method for removal. Jeeps were notorious for having crappy two piece lug nuts like that. I wont ever buy a lug nut thats not a solid one piece design again. Your results may vary though. [/QUOTE]

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