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Message: [QUOTE="windrunner408, post: 322173, member: 1868"] Ok now this I totally understand and can see/feel the fustration for sure. The thing to keep in mind here is that these are NOT necessarily "new" manufactured turbos but are considered turbo "modifications". For simplicity sake, let's talk about one turbo at a time. MTW Stage 1: Ok this turbo can be made from a "NEW" or "USED" stock powerstroke turbo and/or a "NEW" or "USED" stock duramax turbo that came from either a LBZ or LLY motor (I dont know if/should Adrian modify other dmax turbos). I can tell you for the price of $700 a "USED" turbo from both trucks is what is being talked about. Now what I do know happens is that the housings are fully cleaned (dont know about sand blasting or not as the one I am running was but it may not be for all so dont quote me on whether the housing are or are not sandblasted) and all the black soot and what have you gets removed. The bearings and seals are all gone through and replaced so those are all new. However the housings and wheels (unless upgraded to a batmowheel or something) are all "USED". Now the LBZ actually measured out at 62.8mm (inducer) x 88.0mm (exducer). The LLY actually measured out at 63.5mm (inducer) x 88.0mm (exducer). I believe people call the LBZ a "63mm" but it is just under that, hence the .5mm or .7mm. MTW Stage 2: This turbo can be made from again a new or used stock powerstroke and/or a new or used gt4088 turbo. The price of $1500 is for a new gt4088 compressor end put onto a used powerstroke turbine end. Again the same cleaning/rebuilding process is all done with this turbo as well.All turbos carry a 6 month warranty on workmanship. The Stage 2 compressor is 64.7mm (inducer) x 88.0mm (exducer). Hopefully this helps clear things up a little more. [/QUOTE]