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Message: [QUOTE="Tree Trimmer, post: 1184552, member: 716"] so, bringing back from the dead. kinda is there a difference between a detroit no-spin, and a detroit locker? or are they one and the same? i follow all the other differences, between all the other products mentioned thus far, it's just those two have been mentioned various times, but never together which made me wonder if the no-spin was the "street version" of the "off road version full locker." which makes me ask this question, as well. i get how a no spin works. that video of it few pages back was awesome. when turning on dry pavement for example, it can be forced open by the inside tire. now, me being a tree trimmer, there are times when were in the chit, and were driving through the "stump fields" in the slop. i have had a few circumstances where we've been hung up on a stump. now, with the aggressive lugs i had on that particular vehicle, it would literally hook the lip of the stump, and stop the tire from turning. the other one would continue to spin. in a circumstance like that, would the no-spin actually treat the tire that's "hooked", like the inside tire in a turn, and open itself up instead of forcing the tire to turn? i realize its all dependent on how hard the tire is hooked on the stump, but theoretically its possible, given i hook the tire hard enough. and a follow up question for the guys with a no-spin in the snow. humor me. 4" of snow. typically in 3-4" on snow i generally don't need to put in 4wd. in 2wd, does it still turn good enough to not have to lock the front end in to pull the front end around? does it want to....push at all seeing as there is no traction to force the inside tire to open in the turn? or do you have to kind of get used to using the skinny pedal to turn, kinda initiating a minor/partial slide to navigate turns in 2wd? i realize that in 4wd, thats a moot point as the front will pull itself around. [/QUOTE]