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Message: [QUOTE="stroker2, post: 618354, member: 407"] I never disagreed with you. I was just explaining my personal experience which was with a stock 4r with a valvebody and a custom chip. Pulling 5th wheel camper over the pass, no matter which tune i chose, the truck was constantly shifting between 2nd and 3rd. That is my bad experience with them. And to the words in red, that would be everything i want in an automatic if i had one but since i have a manual, the way i see it, i have all that along with more gears and all i have to do is use both legs to drive. To the OP, if your trans is in good shape then do what Charles is saying but if you want more gears and to just plain shift your own gears then do the swap [/QUOTE]

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