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Message: [QUOTE="Charles, post: 639120, member: 103"] The ZF at 500hp requires a clutch that costs most people 700 or so dollars. I bought the PCS with harness and everything for like 580. A converter and valve changes and I think a 4R would hold 500hp with as much reliability as a single disc clutch in front of a ZF. This is assuming you don't tow heavy and put down 300rwhp continuously, in which case, the ZF is already out... The ZF at up to 500hp is still slow as balls. And the shifts are slow, and if you try to push them faster... whoop... you just dropped another syncro... But it's practical. It is at least a practical solution, just a sh*tty one. At the point where you would run a dual disc clutch, the ZF is much worse off. First off, you probably just plopped down what, 1500 for that clutch? And it will shift like garbage. If you don't think so, then you reaaaaaaaaly don't expect much, lol. I don't want my pickup to shift like an OTR tractor when I'm trying to push past that guy in the new mustang over there... In reality, I gave 2800 for my trans, 800 for the converter and 580 for the controller. But that is only comparable to a ZF with a dual disc clutch like a corvette is comparable to a powerwheels. About 1000 dollars into a stock 4R is about as capable as the ZF. Unless you tow real hard.... then it's light years ahead in the fact that it won't melt down in a single trip. [/QUOTE]

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