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Message: [QUOTE="m j, post: 641033, member: 9848"] those are NOT autos. the lenco is close in that it uses planetary gears but the liberty is an offshoot of a doug nash/richmond gear 5 speed and has zero in common with an auto. why do you say no such thing as a built zf5? just because no one has done it? how much fluid in the auto vs the ZF6? 17qts vs 6qts ? want a hint on how to stop burning fluid? I have driven an allison equiped truck, eww. might be fine and dandy in the dry but you can keep it in the snow and mud and ice. iirc they are limited to under 400hp applications [/QUOTE]

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