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Message: [QUOTE="Charles, post: 676955, member: 103"] When you compare the ZF to a full auto that you don't select the shifts for... then I would never choose the 4R myself. However, when you fully select the shifts of the 4R, that's when you can make an actual comparison. So I guess you would like your ZF to force the clutch to unlock every time you hit the brakes in the manual truck too? Nope... you sure wouldn't, lol. Not really. You can prefer a manual all you want, but you won't buy one from Ford in a diesel superduty anymore because they are pointless. They are ordered less and less every day in bigger trucks too. Midsize trucks (garbage, moving, delivery, concrete, container) almost never get ordered with a manual anymore. And as long as hard performance values are ignored, you can pretend it's preferential. Higher torque capacity, higher power capacity, higher starting output torque, greater ratio range, no break in applied power on a shift, no loss of boost on a shift, can be run full manual, or full auto, or any combination of the two, can be controlled via pushbutton, remote, bump shifter, coleslaw maker, or anything else you want to control it. The only reason they aren't used exclusively in all applications is price, and complexity that might confuse some people too much. The actual performance is higher. It's like comparing manual boost control vs electronic boost control. Electronic performs better in all cases, but manual is dirt cheap, and dumb asses can work on it without hurting their heads too much. [/QUOTE]

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