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Message: [QUOTE="JoeDaddy, post: 676958, member: 41"] There's no question that the auto with driver input control is the best to meet all needs if there could only be one. I think you're missing my point on performance though. Performance being the rate at which something performs is objective. Take a HD V-twin. Do you want a smooth efficient quite one or one that's a bit rich and long in cam duration to get that "Harley Idle"? One might opt for the lower in performance to get the bike that performs the way they prefer. As to the lock-up I and every other professional driver out here with any real experience reach for the clutch before the brake in bad weather for the very same reason Id prefer my TC to unlock when brakes are applied as a rule. BTW Im not being argumentative, just offering my perspective. Sometimes I close my eyes and remember an old slant 6 D100 and the way it would pull a turn in 4th without a shudder. I guess Im old enough to long for outdated unconventional ways. I am truly sad that the stick is dead. Seems like a right of passage has died along with it. The standard transmission is somehow poetic in my mind. [/QUOTE]

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