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Message: [QUOTE="Powerstroked162, post: 244984, member: 120"] You are a terrible fisherman LOL The deal is very, very clear here. Not once has anybody said "Oh, craig is going down and were gonna make sure this turbo setup fails!". Ask some of you posting in this thread and thats what you think is going on here, lol. The facts are that the batmo s475 didn't lit remotely close to acceptable for a daily driven truck at altitude. Is that a big surprise? No, not really. Does it have anything to do with MPD? No, not at all. Its no different than a Cummins with a big, responsive single at sea level that takes a weekend trip through the mountains at 4-5000'. Does that truck preform on those long steep grades like it would at say 3-400'? No, absolutely not. Does that mean the truck is a piece of crap and the turbo manufacturer is selling junk? Nope. It just means that the truck can't do what it can at sea level, at altitude. Guess what helps overcome that? VGT turbos. This whole gripe is stemmed from one person, IMO and his mouth. For the longest time everybody was really accepting of both setups until comments started being thrown around about how people don't need to waste their money on Elite VGT turbo setups because they don't work, east coast air must make this stuff work, yada, yada, yada. Ever since then, everybody has wanted to see a test of a big single like MPD's at altitude. I'd say both camps have wanted to put this one to rest with facts for awhile now and it finally has came to light and now people aren't happy with the results, lol. Guess what? Nobody said it was to be a direct comparison to craig's truck. Its a single turbo kit that was purchased to see just how responsive it would be at altitude. The results came back, it makes way less power than Craig's truck, it isn't nearly as responsive at 5000' as Craig's truck is at sea level, and it isn't daily driver friendly with altitude. It has nothing to do with Craig or anything else other than elevation difference. Thats it. I hope Tadd brings different singles with him to Arizona races to run back to back passes for comparison. Atleast there, elevation wound play such a big role in the lack of performance and maybe people will be more accepting of the results(good or bad) there. [/QUOTE]