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Message: [QUOTE="windrunner408, post: 730337, member: 1868"] I don't really have a dog in the fight about the 5r vs 4r, but as I see it, either the older vets are too stubborn to admit when something works better for a racing application OR they actually know what to do to make their transmission run for them. I'm inclined to think the latter of the two is most likely the case. I know for a street setup, I wouldn't want to be giving up any extra gears. Just my observations. Also to piggy back on the 190s, I can completely agree with them being about the limit unless the air flow is increased big time. [/QUOTE]

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