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Message: [QUOTE="Powerstroke Man 6.4, post: 1052552, member: 4573"] Well put it this way Ram don't have a 450 or "4500" pickup they would call it. They have a 4500 C&C but no pickup....... So what this is trying to compare is the "toughest" pickup that Ram has to offer. the Ram "3500" is basically a F-450 variant of the Ram (its rated like a F-450). (Towing weight wise) That is why our F-350 wont tow the weight of the ram "3500". Just wait till they get hold of a "max tow" F-350 then compare to the "3500".... I don't care throw 23,500 lbs behind my F-350 DRW I got the TB package (rated at 18,000 lbs a few thousand pounds more wont hurt LOL) to compete against Ram's so called "3500" ill show Ram up stock and everything with my 6.FO lol. I got a 6 mile long 7% grade over here leads you to the H3 tunnel and to the other side of the mountain. Not high elevation but a grade is a grade LOL. We will see ......... ram needs more power right now to be up to par with ford. [/QUOTE]

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