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Message: [QUOTE="Tim @ P.I.S., post: 979645, member: 744"] I'm going to do my best to answer everyone's questions, and respond to statements in one post. Testing is done the only way benches operate. Set RPM, PW, Count and run test. This will tell you if said injector is (A) outputting properly and (B) balanced with others in a set. What we are demonstrating is that with adequate PW given (in this case 3.2MS/PW) both injectors have ample time to empty. With that point made the 30% will offer a better quality injection (ATOMIZATION). This is the only way to show TRUE results. We have been doing it for years in our own testing and when customers send in their own injectors from "other" companies to have us modify them or correct issues. We can, and have done these tests. But in this situation we feel the end user purchasing/running this size injector spends little to no time at/above 3500RPM. The 80% does hold the max output (170cc) into a slightly smaller PW. But we save them for our 175cc injectors. Each set we build has a distinct purpose. We don't just slap parts together. We also custom build sets for specific applications as the need arises. I would expect nothing different from you. Its funny you state "HIGH" PW and "LOW" RPM. This setup we build for the consumer that has little to no upgrades at the time of purchase. HIGH PW, I still see much higher coming from tuners still today. LOW RPM, this setup is not designed to turn 3500+RPM's. If the customer comes to us asking for a high RPM setup, we guide him/her into a different setup. Unlike some shops that have customers call and state they will be towing at high altitude and the shop recommends and sells them a set of 400/400's. Yep we hear about it when they can not get their new injectors to do what they wanted. First off, I agree with every statement you made in bold red. Now not sure about tuners you use, but the ones I am affiliated with I can say without worry they do not and would not tune a set of 160cc injector down to 2.0 MS/PW(for a normal tune). I have always looked at what parameters are available, within reason, in a specific setup. Lets discuss for a moment what 2.0 MS/PW would do for us. 2.0MS would allow for a higher rpm operation. Do we need that in a truck with 160cc of fuel to burn?? With 2.0MS we can now run out of the range of our factory camshaft and head flow. So where are the gains?? If a customer calls us and states he has a setup made to run higher rpms and still wants sub 200cc sized injectors, guess what we have some thing for him. But that is a 1 in 1,000 customer if that. And take all of the 160/100's and turn the RPMs up like some are asking and they drop like a rock. ALL of them that have come through here. And I am sorry I do not have 2.5 info available. Will 2.6 do?? [youtube]t8TvGRRRW2c[/youtube] How many of you are running under 2.6MS/PW?? I can bet not many with this type of setup. :thumbsup: [/QUOTE]