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Message: [QUOTE="713Diesel, post: 444465, member: 7173"] I am with you on the way Banks displays their data. From what I understand what they claim is usually pretty accurate. Based on my own experience a long time ago my cousin put their power pack or some sort of bundled deal on his OBS 7.3. He did a true before and after and it was pretty close to what was advertised. It was not peak HP but he had HP gains throughout the the power band that was close to the advertised amount. Lets please not get on a tangent about Banks....... Everyone knows they are not the best option yada yada yada. I just like the way or at least the way the used to document their claims and wished more people would do it. I would like to think that this is a reason why they have been successful. An average Joe that does not know anything about trucks can pick up a truck magazine and see that I can order a 3k kit that will get them 120 hp and 250 lbft. Now the million dollar question is are these claims accurate. Based on my experience they were. If someone puts a product to market that has good results, post those results and you have a few folks substantiating your claims then your product will sell like hot cakes. This is something that has not happened for the 6.4 market IMO. With that said I understand why it has not happened due to the lifting of the cab issue. I know that I wouldn't want to be the guy that spends the time and money to dyno a truck, lift the cab, make one modification , put the cab back on and then redyno the truck. It is just the product of the beast with these trucks but lets not jump all over people (not just this instance in particular) for their opinions or what they did in their build. Up until this point I don't think that I would have done push rods. I understand the concept that you have a stiffer valve you probably need a stiffer push rod but I know that stock components are over designed so I figured that they were OK. Take our crank for example, it is standing up to some serious HP...... In some peoples experience three or four times over stock. I honestly thought that our pushrods would be OK. Yeah they are relatively cheap up grade but should you do something just for the sake of doing something or because everyone else is doing it? Now that I saw the post about the deflection and the 20 hp gain I have changed my mind. Point of all of this is we need more posts like the one you did Tadd. Based on nothing in your sig I assume you are not a manufacturer so I don't think you have anything to gain by posting what you found. Just like the guy that reported what his experience was about the Steed Speed manifolds. They claimed 90 hp, he lost 50 hp so we all asked what gives? If my HG gave out a month ago the Steed Speeds would have been something that I would have done "while I was there" but now that no one has substantiated their claims I will hold off and this is exactly what we need more of IMO. [/QUOTE]