Brute66 opinions

[jeremiahmercier]

Yeah true, but Jason was really good about communicating with me, and always returned my calls. I was told the last time I talked to him if I didn't have them in email in a couple days to give him a shout back (we had been back and forward on the phone about a few things), one thing led to another, I got busy and forgot all about it, and not just a few days or weeks, a couple months, I need to try contacting him again

 

[Carolina444]

if your referring to Jason aka thuglike.. I don't think he's employed there anymore..

 

[PSD POWER007]

Yeah true, but Jason was really good about communicating with me, and always returned my calls. I was told the last time I talked to him if I didn't have them in email in a couple days to give him a shout back (we had been back and forward on the phone about a few things), one thing led to another, I got busy and forgot all about it, and not just a few days or weeks, a couple months, I need to try contacting him again

I don't think he works for them anymore. He was the ONLY communicator in my experiences with them. Good luck!

 

[jeremiahmercier]

Well crap!

 

[jeremiahmercier]

I started this to get some info on the brute and get opinions from guys running the charger. Not much info/data can be found on it. What makes the brute different from the other drop in 66's?
Thanks

Wish I could tell you more on the differences between the D66 and the brute, but based on my research , for daily driving and towing there are 3 highly recommend choices right now, the BASB, the 38R, and the modded H2E, and I personally would choose the H2E or BASB just because the ability for different turbo options later, other wise I do like the 38r on our 02, just noisy and its still stock mount type, and the BASB seems to cool better. Might look into what SWAN did with the 64.5 few too

 

[OBS-Addiction97]

Well crap!

THIS x100.

 

[Tim @ P.I.S.]

Yea I read Billy's post.. Someone from dyno proven joined in so i asked him to clarify the difference. Do they claim it to be better than the d66? If so, why?

Here lies the problem. IS one better than the other? Possibly, will either manufacture get on here and state it with proof? Not likely.

This place is run by politics and swingers. The politics keep vendors from knocking one is better than another. And the swingers make sure no one vendor can go with out a blemish.

I can get on here and show videos and post flow bench data until i am blue in the face about why my product is in whole better than other vendor(s) on this site. But as soon as the first bit of data would hit you would have every swinger from every other vendor trumping up all kinds of allegations as to why my test results are false or flawed. No real info would get to the end user and yet another who's pecker is bigger thread would be born. It really is a shame, in the early days people on the edge of great ideas and products could gather and discuss and collaborate and move forward. Anymore its all about who runs whos tunes, injectors, turbos, etc. And if you are on the wrong team, watch out because they are coming for blood.

This is why this type of info is not shared anymore. Its a shame to the end user looking for the right choices to make.

 

[Carolina444]

Here lies the problem. IS one better than the other? Possibly, will either manufacture get on here and state it with proof? Not likely.

This place is run by politics and swingers. The politics keep vendors from knocking one is better than another. And the swingers make sure no one vendor can go with out a blemish.

I can get on here and show videos and post flow bench data until i am blue in the face about why my product is in whole better than other vendor(s) on this site. But as soon as the first bit of data would hit you would have every swinger from every other vendor trumping up all kinds of allegations as to why my test results are false or flawed. No real info would get to the end user and yet another who's pecker is bigger thread would be born. It really is a shame, in the early days people on the edge of great ideas and products could gather and discuss and collaborate and move forward. Anymore its all about who runs whos tunes, injectors, turbos, etc. And if you are on the wrong team, watch out because they are coming for blood.

This is why this type of info is not shared anymore. Its a shame to the end user looking for the right choices to make.

Well said..

 

[mattman347]

Here lies the problem. IS one better than the other? Possibly, will either manufacture get on here and state it with proof? Not likely.
One could be better than the other, thats the whole point of this business is to have something more than the next guy, but taking a stock style turbo that has struggled to ever make over 500 in the past and now claim it is making 600+ is BS. Do you believe a 230/100 will make over 600 REAR WHEEL HP yourself?

This place is run by politics and swingers. The politics keep vendors from knocking one is better than another. And the swingers make sure no one vendor can go with out a blemish.

This is very true, and unfortunate for all of us trying further knowledge and pick the right set up. So much BS info here that the real info gets lost in the shuffle for things people want to hear, not what they should hear.

I can get on here and show videos and post flow bench data until i am blue in the face about why my product is in whole better than other vendor(s) on this site. But as soon as the first bit of data would hit you would have every swinger from every other vendor trumping up all kinds of allegations as to why my test results are false or flawed. No real info would get to the end user and yet another who's pecker is bigger thread would be born. It really is a shame, in the early days people on the edge of great ideas and products could gather and discuss and collaborate and move forward. Anymore its all about who runs whos tunes, injectors, turbos, etc. And if you are on the wrong team, watch out because they are coming for blood.

It sounds like you could have a great product to offer everyone, but your flow bench is just that, yours and your flow data only means so much when trying compare products in the real world. The real world data is where it proves itself, and it looks like you are finding that out by getting your customer base going and having good reviews from people. Sell your product because its a good product, downing the "other" injector shops all the time makes you look bad and the "swingers" will come out for blood every time to defend.

This is why this type of info is not shared anymore. Its a shame to the end user looking for the right choices to make.

100% agree here. But TRUTHFUL real world data, not idiotic claims of flywheel HP to trick an end user into buying your product. (Not talking about you here Tim)

Some of us have been on here a long time and do not post up often enough because of all the BS that comes with it. Im all for finding new and better products but what Evan posted is not even remotely "new". Dyno proven can come in here and sell products all they want but don't make outrageous claims just to sell a drop in turbo. You could maybe get over 600 a couple times but most know as well as I do its going to take more than a 100% nozzle to do it.
Dynos can be made to read whatever the user wants, I know I have used that dyno as well as a few others and they are all over the freaking place. Fact is, my truck runs 12.0 on fuel and 11.75 on spray and is 7000 lbs. Those numbers don't change much but I have had it dyno anywhere from 656 on fuel to 550, and 779 on spray to 650 same dyno just different days SAME track times. All that means to me is the tool you are using is only good for making changes, and does not mean it will convert to faster/better on the road.

 

[DocBar]

Some of us have been on here a long time and do not post up often enough because of all the BS that comes with it. Im all for finding new and better products but what Evan posted is not even remotely "new". Dyno proven can come in here and sell products all they want but don't make outrageous claims just to sell a drop in turbo. You could maybe get over 600 a couple times but most know as well as I do its going to take more than a 100% nozzle to do it.
Dynos can be made to read whatever the user wants, I know I have used that dyno as well as a few others and they are all over the freaking place. Fact is, my truck runs 12.0 on fuel and 11.75 on spray and is 7000 lbs. Those numbers don't change much but I have had it dyno anywhere from 656 on fuel to 550, and 779 on spray to 650 same dyno just different days SAME track times. All that means to me is the tool you are using is only good for making changes, and does not mean it will convert to faster/better on the road.

I agree with this. A dyno is a useful tool for testing and tuning, but track times are where the rubber meets the road.

 

[thuglike]

I agree with this. A dyno is a useful tool for testing and tuning, but track times are where the rubber meets the road.

END OF STORY!!!!!!

 

[Tim @ P.I.S.]

It sounds like you could have a great product to offer everyone, but your flow bench is just that, yours and your flow data only means so much when trying compare products in the real world. The real world data is where it proves itself, and it looks like you are finding that out by getting your customer base going and having good reviews from people. Sell your product because its a good product, downing the "other" injector shops all the time makes you look bad and the "swingers" will come out for blood every time to defend.

Funny you should say that. I remember getting quite a few calls from consumers that quoted a certain Full Force salesperson stating that we could not build them a 160/100 injector because Full Force bought all the 100% nozzles made so we had to come up with something else. I still laugh about that one today. It didn't take much factual data to prove that sales guy was full of $@&! And that there are really better options for them.

 

[bruce]

Funny you should say that. I remember getting quite a few calls from consumers that quoted a certain Full Force salesperson stating that we could not build them a 160/100 injector because Full Force bought all the 100% nozzles made so we had to come up with something else. I still laugh about that one today. It didn't take much factual data to prove that sales guy was full of $@&! And that there are really better options for them.

opcorn:

 

[thuglike]

LOL..***..beat me to it Bruce.

 

[PSD POWER007]

This is getting deep...

 

[Carolina444]

You never know what your gonna get when you post here...opcorn:

 

[mattman347]

Funny you should say that. I remember getting quite a few calls from consumers that quoted a certain Full Force salesperson stating that we could not build them a 160/100 injector because Full Force bought all the 100% nozzles made so we had to come up with something else. I still laugh about that one today. It didn't take much factual data to prove that sales guy was full of $@&! And that there are really better options for them.

Its not getting deep at all, that was exactly what I was being told at the time or I would not have said it. And again your "factual data" about an 80% nozzle has never been "proven" to me. I could have sold EITHER an 80 or 100% nozzle but I chose the 100% from personal preference. I have ran both 80% and 100% nozzles with 0 difference in REAL WORLD driving.

Now back to the actual question at hand, do YOU believe over 600 RWHP on a 7.3 is practical not only with a 100% nozzle but with a drop in 66mm turbo? :thumbsup:

 

[DocBar]

Its not getting deep at all, that was exactly what I was being told at the time or I would not have said it. And again your "factual data" about an 80% nozzle has never been "proven" to me. I could have sold EITHER an 80 or 100% nozzle but I chose the 100% from personal preference. I have ran both 80% and 100% nozzles with 0 difference in REAL WORLD driving.

Now back to the actual question at hand, do YOU believe over 600 RWHP on a 7.3 is practical not only with a 100% nozzle but with a drop in 66mm turbo? :thumbsup:

I'm running that exact combo. I might drive on up to Bakersfield and make a few passes to see exactly where I'm at.

Unless there's one closer to El Segundo that I don't know about.

 

[mattman347]

I'm running that exact combo. I might drive on up to Bakersfield and make a few passes to see exactly where I'm at.

Unless there's one closer to El Segundo that I don't know about.

Perfect. I would love to how it does! If it proves to make over 600 fuel only then I will retract my statement and go back to a 230/100 and get myself a drop in 66 turbo for this season of racing.

 

[mattman347]

You never know what your gonna get when you post here...opcorn:

All BS aside, if you do decide you would like to do the BASB let me know and ill get you set up.