Pistons

BFT · Nov 5, 2011

Tiger got out of it's cageLOL

01PSD · Nov 5, 2011

lmao LOL Though I don't DISAGREE with what Derrick is trying to say, I do feel as if he's being a little bit unrealistic and expecting too much..

bigrpowr · Nov 5, 2011

He needed to shut his pie hole a long time ago ,broken ***king record with nothing to add.

Best post I have ever seen out of u Wayne. Well done.

jdgleason · Nov 5, 2011

LOL hahaha amazing

O2ShootTheJ · Nov 5, 2011

I admire the amount of effort wayne put into that post. made me lol at the 10,000 quotes he had from the same guy

derrick36 · Nov 5, 2011

Wayne said:
Talk about beating a dead horse! You (derrick36) deserve some kind of award for finding different ways of asking the same questions over and over and over and over again!:jawdrop:

Looks like the speculation specialist needs a little help from captain obvious!:morons:

Time for a fact reminder:

Factory 6.4L Power Stroke stock pistons are built by Mahle

Elite's 6.4L Power Stroke performance pistons are designed and tested in conjunction with, and also built by Mahle from a new casting.

Do I need to go on about how just about every high HP 6.4 in existence has at least a few of Elite's parts, or just how credible Mahle is? I could. Their website is full of interesting facts like how they're been building performance pistons since 1920, and they did about 7 BILLION dollars in sales last year, etc., etc.

Basic reasoning skills should key you into the fact that these are better than stock seeing as how the best name in the 6.4L performance industry, and the manufacturer of the Ford factory pistons have come together specifically to make a piston for performance applications.

Fast-6.0 said:

How can we say they are stronger?

Just like anything that is engineered and then re-engineered. The pistons that were cracking were examined, the original design was run through stress simulation with attention paid to where the cracks are occuring. Then the design was changed to reduce these stress areas and rerun through stress simulation. After a few hundred different tries, a final design is decided upon. From there they are cast to meet the new design. I realize this is real simple but that is how it is done. They were engineered to not crack where the current pistons do. If they dont exhibit the weak stress areas of the current piston then wouldn't you agree they are stronger than the oem.[/QUOTE]

Comparing Elite's with a modified stocker:

Hopefully this helps.

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You can quote me and use as much fancy red font as you want, but it doesn't change my questioning or my criteria for what I feel is a good representation of a claim of a product being superior to another.

Until the limits of the stock 6.4 piston are found, and these exceed those limits in a real-world application, I'm not going to change my stance.

Don't get me wrong, I fully expect them to, but I just can't push the "I believe" button until that happens.

I'm not sure why this is getting people all bent out of shape....? I'm fairly certian I'm the only person who feels this way. It really doesn't take away from anything Elite or Mahle is doing.

derrick36 · Nov 5, 2011

bigrpowr said:
He needed to shut his pie hole a long time ago ,broken ***king record with nothing to add.

Best post I have ever seen out of u Wayne. Well done.

Not quite done yet.

G Racing · Nov 5, 2011

Please by all means do your own testing and let us know what it took for you to crack or melt your factory piston/pistons You have stated your question and now the horse has been killed several times so please let it rest in peace. If you don't think they are better than factory then that is YOUR opinion and that's all it is. I am willing to try parts that are better and newer. If you choose not to do so then please move on. Things will never get better if someone doesn't try to make them better. Sit back, relax, and after a few years I'm sure that you will have all the information you need to make a well informed decision.
If Tadd or anyone else at elite or mahle doesn't want to give out specifics on what they have engineered then so be it. It's called protecting your investment. I'm sure that someone is just sitting there chomping at the bit to get the specs so they can try and make a knock off and claim it as their own.

To the op. For $200 more on an item that is/could/would/maybe I wouldn't be afraid to try it. It's got to be better or equal to stock at the worst. Would your thread have been railroaded if someone else made it? Probably or probably not.

Wayne · Nov 5, 2011

derrick36 said:
You can quote me and use as much fancy red font as you want, but it doesn't change my questioning or my criteria for what I feel is a good representation of a claim of a product being superior to another.

Until the limits of the stock 6.4 piston are found, and these exceed those limits in a real-world application, I'm not going to change my stance.

Don't get me wrong, I fully expect them to, but I just can't push the "I believe" button until that happens.

I'm not sure why this is getting people all bent out of shape....? I'm fairly certian I'm the only person who feels this way. It really doesn't take away from anything Elite or Mahle is doing.

Seriously!?!:stupid:I try to stay away from this particular smiley, but some times it just has to be used. good luck in life Derrick. Now, can someone help me with the ignore function?

derrick36 · Nov 5, 2011

G Racing said:
Please by all means do your own testing and let us know what it took for you to crack or melt your factory piston/pistons You have stated your question and now the horse has been killed several times so please let it rest in peace. If you don't think they are better than factory then that is YOUR opinion and that's all it is. I am willing to try parts that are better and newer. If you choose not to do so then please move on. Things will never get better if someone doesn't try to make them better. Sit back, relax, and after a few years I'm sure that you will have all the information you need to make a well informed decision.
If Tadd or anyone else at elite or mahle doesn't want to give out specifics on what they have engineered then so be it. It's called protecting your investment. I'm sure that someone is just sitting there chomping at the bit to get the specs so they can try and make a knock off and claim it as their own.

To the op. For $200 more on an item that is/could/would/maybe I wouldn't be afraid to try it. It's got to be better or equal to stock at the worst. Would your thread have been railroaded if someone else made it? Probably or probably not.

I'm not asking for anything confidential, nor am I trying to steal ideas from Elite or Mahle. I'm not sure where(or even if) I asked for anything like that. My point is run them and post results as to why they're better. It's simple really.

The stress test has proven things thus far, but to my knowledge they haven't been run in anyone's rig yet.

I haven't said they aren't better than OEM, I've just asked for real-world proof. A stress test means very little to me because I'm a simple consumer. For the most part, I can figure out what goes into that testing(it's been stated here already), but that doesn't transfer into anything I can relate to.
As far as sitting back and relaxing goes. I don't think I've shown to be anything other than relaxed. I haven't taken anything personal and I haven't posted anything out of anger or annoyance.

For the people telling me to drop it. Maybe the better idea is to just ignore me and stop bumping the thread to the top. As long as someone has something to say to or about me, I'm going to respond. I thought that's how these forums worked...Let it go and the thread goes away.

We're pretty far off track, Unfortunately I see this thread getting locked/edited/etc before any of that happens.

To the op, I appologize for the derail. I did my part to keep my posts on topic.

Wayne said:
Seriously!?!:stupid:I try to stay away from this particular smiley, but some times it just has to be used. good luck in life Derrick. Now, can someone help me with the ignore function?

It's pretty easy. It looks like all you do is go to "user cp" and then "edit ignore list". From there, you just enter in the name of the person you want to ignore in the blank field.

bigrpowr · Nov 5, 2011

derrick36 said:
Not quite done yet.

Just wash your mouth out with a revolver.

Jhaddox · Nov 5, 2011

bigrpowr said:
Just wash your mouth out with a revolver.

LOL

TyCorr · Nov 5, 2011

Derrick, somebody has to test products out when they are new. Why not people who are pushing the envelope, or creating it perhaps?

Elite doesnt owe you an explanation. They dont owe you sh!t.

ITs your choice to buy them or not. Thats really the only input you've got.

If you cant comprehend that Elite is pioneering 6.4 performance and they are addressing a weak part, I dont think you'll ever be at rest on this.

The people who need pistons and have bought parts from Elite are relieved that they have an option now. Who cant get into that?

derrick36 · Nov 5, 2011

bigrpowr said:
Just wash your mouth out with a revolver.

That doesn't sound sanitary. I'll stick with toothpaste and mouth wash.

derrick36 · Nov 5, 2011

TyCorr said:
Derrick, somebody has to test products out when they are new. Why not people who are pushing the envelope, or creating it perhaps?

Elite doesnt owe you an explanation. They dont owe you sh!t.

ITs your choice to buy them or not. Thats really the only input you've got.

If you cant comprehend that Elite is pioneering 6.4 performance and they are addressing a weak part, I dont think you'll ever be at rest on this.

The people who need pistons and have bought parts from Elite are relieved that they have an option now. Who cant get into that?

I guess, maybe you didn't read Wayne's post where he quoted me a bunch of times.

You're not saying anything different than anyone else. Because of that, I'm not changing my questions.

No one owes me any explanation. I've already stated that.

TyCorr · Nov 5, 2011

Yeah Ive read every post in this thread. I was trying to offer an alternate viewpoint.

Your questions are ones that you need to FIND for yourself. You can customize the experience to suit your desires.

'No one owes me any explanation. I've already stated that.'

Theeeeeeeeeeen, why do you keep asking?

Run stock pistons and butt out then.

You say nobody owes you an explanation but you keep asking for one.

You'd like RESULTS where Elites new piston design was put into a high hp truck and tested to satisfy you own wonders? Buy the mother fuggers and get it done.

For a couple quid over what stockers cost you can take em or leave em. END OF ***KIN STORY!!

derrick36 · Nov 5, 2011

TyCorr said:
Yeah Ive read every post in this thread. I was trying to offer an alternate viewpoint.

Your questions are ones that you need to FIND for yourself. You can customize the experience to suit your desires.

'No one owes me any explanation. I've already stated that.'

Theeeeeeeeeeen, why do you keep asking?

Run stock pistons and butt out then.

You say nobody owes you an explanation but you keep asking for one.

You'd like RESULTS where Elites new piston design was put into a high hp truck and tested to satisfy you own wonders? Buy the mother fuggers and get it done.

For a couple quid over what stockers cost you can take em or leave em. END OF ***KIN STORY!!