Soot Powered Ported Intake?

[forcefed6.4ford]

My manifold. Not his. As in I paid for it and will do with it as I chose.

 

[mortal798]

I have always said I am not for everybody lol. Being open and honest is how I run my business. If that honesty steers you clear of absolute, well than I guess that's just how it goes. I've never been accused of BS'ing people and being in the customers shoes for many years prior to absolute I was bs'd an awful lot. Now that I'm in the driver's seat, and helping others who are where I was, I make sure to be as straight as possible and honest as can be. It offends some and it pleases others. The same could be said of a BS'er. I'm sorry you don't like how I portray myself online or in life. There is nothing I can do about that. Best of luck to you though

You bs'd a bs'er!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAF359uuWUo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[kyle43335]

marking my spot lol. this should get interesting!!!!

 

[Tree Trimmer]

My manifold. Not his. As in I paid for it and will do with it as I chose.

its not like he's goin to open it up, and give out the exact dimensions on all the machine work on the inside.

he's willing to send it to get compared, in a flow vs flow test.

 

[HOLDERDOWN]

This got interesting...


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[imelmo]

Dyno and run your truck in it's current set up. Record #'s.

Remove intake and sent it to me for "Who's Your Daddy" work.

Dyno and run your truck after only changing the manifold. Record vids of the process for all to see. Record vids of the results.

I actually plan to do this exact thing with my Absolute manifold (6.0) once I get my truck back.

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[SootPowered]

like i said, proof is in the pudding my man.

 

[Powerstroked162]

1) Well there you go, did not know.
2) What significant differences are there?
3) Does one design provide a "new and useful process, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter, or any new and useful improvements thereof"?

Not trying to add too much fuel to the fire but powerstroked162 has given reason that he feels his a superiorly made product but simply put, the proof is in the pudding.

I don't even know why Im gonna take the time to acknowledge you but you seem hell bent on being on top of your soap box with misinformation so allow me to take a minute or two to correct you.

1.)I worked with Doug for a while. I helped Doug design the 6.4 manifold. Im way more informed of the in's and out's of the Stage 1 manifold issues then you ever will be. I've spent significant amounts of time and energy building something DIFFERENT than what Doug does and I feel I've accomplished that goal with the Apex lineup.

2.)No stage 1 manifold sees any intake throat work done. The Apex Does. The EGR system is removed ENTIRELY. There are no passageways left to interfere with airflow. The Apex uses ORB fittings in the runner lids to ensure it does not leak like the Stage 1 has been known too. Work in the runners is significantly different than the Stage 1. The two are virtually different in every way other than the physical idea.

The above is why I feel I have a superior product in DESIGN. As of right now, and as of always, I cannot say that it physically outflows the stage 1 as i have not benched it yet. As I said in the Apex thread, I have not and will not make claims of performance superiority until it is proven.

Dude, you have absolutly no idea what you are talking about. I have never, ever commented on your manifolds. Here you go bashing mine, for what, you scared that somebody's intake will actually flow more then yoursoke:, oh wait you would actually have to put yours on a flow bench to know what yours flow.

Here's the deal: I, as owner of Soot Powered Performance, who is not a sponsor here but will be shortly, propose a legit flow bench shoot out between Soot Powered Performance's Who's Your Daddy Manifold and Absolute Diesel's "World Renouned Apex Manifold LOL". The kicker is who ever looses the shootout pays for the flow bench testing. I would even be willing to send a check or money order to a non bias 3rd party to hold.

My only stipulation is the flow bench test must be conducted at the flow bench standard of 28" of water and must be conducted by a 3rd party testing labratory.The flow bench results will then be posted on here for all to see. Hell I'll even drive or fly to where ever the lab is that's conducting the test and video the whole thing. Looser foots the bill plain and simple. You wanna get on here and talk trash: I"M CALLING YOU AND YOUR APEX MANIFOLD OUT!!!

Put your apex $$$ where your mouth is.... eagerly awaiting your response.

On a side note if you want to send a set of heads that you have ported (or anybody else for that matter) we'll have them flowed also. Flow exactly what you brung and heads can't be flowed at more lift then any current "race" cam. Same rules, looser pays for the testing. We could use my flow bench but that would kind of bias don't you think.

I can say without a doubt that these intakes flow more CFM then ANY manifold i've ever seen flow bench numbers for, or any numbers i've ever seen posted.

Less avoid the Bull **** with all the "post your numbers, post your pics", just agree to the damn test and be done with it.

Oh yeah, now you're talking my language. I'll send one in for sure. The question is what well everybody else do? I think it's kind of unfair for Elite and GoGo who aren't here to defend themselves to be thrown in this thread though. Not saying i'm afraid, hell, i would love to see a set of elites' heads on a flow bench right next to mine :naughty: Steve was taking bitch jabs at me for no reason so i called him out. If you can't back it, don't talk it.

I didn't even know the dude's name till it was stated in a earlier post. To let everybody in on a little seceret i didn't even know this thread was going until i got a txt and like 5 pm's telling me to check it. I don't forum port fellas. Proof is in the pudding.

Couldn't find the popcorn but here's to ya: :blitzed:

I can't wait to see what kind of B.S. excuse this dude can come up with not to submit to the test.

Did you not read ANYTHING i wrote? Did you even read the very article you quoted me with?? It clearly states that i am all for new ideas and performance parts IF they are of their own design. I will break that down for everybody since I feel that some have lost it in translation and are posting to hear themselves talk. That clearly means, I am all for new parts, products, oils, tee-shirts, whatever, as long as it is developed and researched off their OWN design. I don't care if there are 50 different ported intake manifolds available to the market that I sell in, as long as its not my design or another vendors design, slightly modified enough to surpass persecution. Look at the Elite manifold, look at mine, look at Doug's. All three are of the same idea, but all three do it in a completely different way. Not one of them is alike in any design way. If you built a manifold that seals the runner lids some way completely different than I do, elite or Go-Go, awesome man. If you ported the runners different and removed the EGR system in a new way, great bro! If simply just took somebody else's design, and tweaked it a hair here, like patrick has vaguely stated you have, well then you know where I stand and where most people with a conscious do with that. If you have something new and different, I would proudly sell next to you as I am ALL for being pushed to come up with a new and better way to stay ahead. It betters the industry for the customers when vendors set a new bar for the next shop to reach! I truly do desire to see these manifold designs and hear what makes them so much different and better than whats out. Hard to make big claims about being better than somebody else's product without having had said products test results to compare against first....

As for your roid rage fit, flow bench shoot-out proposition, well... guess you'll just have to wait in line. I've got testing that needs to be done for my OWN products first, not to mention a 7 month back log of manifold orders. You are more than welcome to get yours benched and post the results or keep them to yourself, whatever tickles your fancy. Also, before you start running your trap calling me a "skeeeredy cat" or whatever colorful adjectives you can think up, just know I'm not the only shop whose gonna happily tell you no


Also, FTR, to those who pointed out that I asked for interior pics and would not post some of my own, I would like to apologize. You were correct in your comments. I should not have asked for something I was not willing to hand out. For that, Im sorry.


I truly do desire to see these manifold designs and hear what makes them so much different and better than whats out. Hard to make big claims about being better than somebody else's product without having had said product to test against first.

 

[patrickke]

How did I ellude to that it was barely different from yours? oke:

 

[madman1234509]

You wanna get on here and talk trash: I"M CALLING YOU AND YOUR APEX MANIFOLD OUT!!!

Put your apex $$$ where your mouth is.... eagerly awaiting your response.

Less avoid the Bull **** with all the "post your numbers, post your pics", just agree to the damn test and be done with it.

Honestly this does need to happen. There have been NO facts on these parts, and people keep swearing by them. Come spend 1200 bucks on this product that has no facts behind it!!

 

[Powerstroked162]

How did I ellude to that it was barely different from yours? oke:

Did I say anywhere it was mine you intact mentioned similarities to?

For reference:

..but exterior wise you can only look so much different

 

[forcefed6.4ford]

So are you going to pick up the gauntlet Steve?

 

[Wayne]

We at elite have our own agenda for proving the value of the z-max intake manifold. They are back ordered now where we're not willing to donate one to a third party test and cause a customer to wait longer than the current wait time. If a customer wants to donate their purchased manifold like forcefed is willing to do with his go-go manifold, then by all means, go for it. When our testing is done you will see a thread here specifically dedicated to our before and after vs. Stock dyno results, as well as any other valuable data-logged info. The testing will be done in a similar manner to my thread on the tow-power atmosphere turbo data thread, but with more specifics. There's a product or two ahead of this in line, and the shop is busy up to our eyeballs, but expect info in a month-ish if things go according to plan. No promises here, but that's the goal.

 

[78f100]

I have no dog in this hunt but I dont really understand how you can port a intake more than so many ways. On the other hand I understand no one wants thier exact process or product copied to the t either. If sootpowered took a stock intake cut it apart and ported it without actually having one of the others there to copy, it is his own design, even if it looks very similar to the others. Just like ported fuel rails, tons of people are doing it now, someone had to be first. Im sure they are all good intakes, Had I known sootpowered was building these during my build I would have had mine done by him, as he is only like 20 minutes away from me. I can only speak for myself but the way things are handled on these forums and customer service has a lot of effect on who and where I spend my hard earned money! I know I'm not alone on that either.

 

[tensixniner]

Have any of the manifolds mentioned in this thread been through any kind of testing before being put on the market?

 

[SootPowered]

Have any of the manifolds mentioned in this thread been through any kind of testing before being put on the market?

Yes, and extensively.

 

[Smokyred]

I have no dog in this hunt but I dont really understand how you can port a intake more than so many ways. On the other hand I understand no one wants thier exact process or product copied to the t either. If sootpowered took a stock intake cut it apart and ported it without actually having one of the others there to copy, it is his own design, even if it looks very similar to the others. Just like ported fuel rails, tons of people are doing it now, someone had to be first. Im sure they are all good intakes, Had I known sootpowered was building these during my build I would have had mine done by him, as he is only like 20 minutes away from me. I can only speak for myself but the way things are handled on these forums and customer service has a lot of effect on who and where I spend my hard earned money! I know I'm not alone on that either.

Amen to that!

Dave

 

[tensixniner]

Yes, and extensively.

Awesome, can you post any of it?

Do you have any pics of your 6.4 intake?

 

[SootPowered]

I do, and i will in time but i'm not a sponsor here and it wouldn't be fair for the supporting sponsors. I will be a sponsor shortly.

 

[PTSUPERD]

I do, and i will in time but i'm not a sponsor here and it wouldn't be fair for the supporting sponsors. I will be a sponsor shortly.

Thank you.