Soot Powered Ported Intake?

Dustball8504 · Jun 16, 2012

I do want to publicly thank SootPowered for the offer and opportunity to test his product. I will get him the intake shipped and get some results for him. I'm going to try and pull it off over a couple days. I will dyno on a Friday, tear it down and install the intake over the weekend and dyno again on the following Monday or Tuesday with the only swap being the intake, I will even provide pictures of the parts in my sig waiting to be installed still sitting on the work bench and provide an underhood shot so you know I didn't sneak anything extra in. I plan to data log each dyno run on my DashDaq and will post the results in a thread when the time comes.

08BIGRIG · Jun 16, 2012

Great to hear that Soot Powered is doing this. I think this says ALOT for what he is selling. What better way to sell a product than to have someone unbias test this out and show the results. I have a feeling the results will be very good. I will have one of these VERY soon as well!!!!

weekendwarriorfsw32 · Jun 16, 2012

This is awesome! A company willing to show to every one the potential of there product I love it. SootPowered is defiantly getting my attention in a very good way. :toast:

Dustball8504 said:
I do want to publicly thank SootPowered for the offer and opportunity to test his product. I will get him the intake shipped and get some results for him. I'm going to try and pull it off over a couple days. I will dyno on a Friday, tear it down and install the intake over the weekend and dyno again on the following Monday or Tuesday with the only swap being the intake, I will even provide pictures of the parts in my sig waiting to be installed still sitting on the work bench and provide an underhood shot so you know I didn't sneak anything extra in. I plan to data log each dyno run on my DashDaq and will post the results in a thread when the time comes.

clayton · Jun 16, 2012

Just curious here, how long have these intakes been selling/on the market?

No one has any numbers comparing to each other or to stock units? Dyno run with just an intake swap, etc?
Just wondering here is all, I personally would/will have a hard time spending 1k+ on something with no #'s.

I understand Sootpowers situation right now with sponsorship and whatnot and look forward to more info on his stuff!

White_monster · Jun 16, 2012

The Gogo manifold on the 6.0's was flow benched and saw something around 50cfm increase on the back cylinders. On the 6.4 one there was a 20% increase on the rear cylinders. These numbers are from my memory and could be wrong and if someone has the exact numbers please post them. As far as any manifold being way better than the next I find hard to believe. On the 6.4 we are limited to space due to the turbos and other pieces on the engine. All the manifolds out there are the same shape and size on the outside so the amount of difference on the inside is going to be minimal, if any, from brand to brand. The difference in the manifolds seems to be how the manifold was cut, machined, drilled, etc during the build process. Some brands use ORB fitting which have o-rings to seal with and others use pipe plugs. Is this wrong? Not at all. It's just different ways of achieving the same thing. Lets give this ported intake manifold crap a rest, they all work.

jkidd_39 · Jun 16, 2012

The numbers are out there. The.makers just.don't really.throw that info out.

It sucks for the makers in the regard that if they release info that claims for instance 25hp gain then you get a bunch of dicks that dyno and get a 16 HP gain Cuz they dyno'd a cold engine or its 110 degrees out. Then they.complain. more headaches for the makers.

Intake manifolds, injectors, Cams, hpop's. These are all things that have very strict parameters. So there is a lot of creative overlap. Hence the pissing contests.

Find a shop you feel comfortable with. And for God sakes read read read. We can sit here and complain about shops but the potential buyer should be educated about what they want and realistic about what these parts can do for your truck.

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forcefed6.4ford · Jun 16, 2012

jkidd_39 said:
It sucks for the makers in the regard that if they release info that claims for instance 25hp gain then you get a bunch of dicks that dyno and get a 16 HP gain Cuz they dyno'd a cold engine or its 110 degrees out. Then they.complain. more headaches for the makers.

But that's just it. Bench testing will take all the guess work and variables out of it due to truck set up. A stock intake flows X cfm. After porting flows X+Y cfm. The results will be duplicatable. Gassers have been doing it for years. Why dont our vendors do the same?

I can appreciate people claiming seat of the pants improvements. But that is only one interpretation of flow improvements. Why not take the time to get real tangible data? Its done with injectors, fuel systems, and tuning.

jkidd_39 · Jun 16, 2012

BC this is diesel performance haha. We are a very young industry. I was chatting with a sponsor about the Diesel industry the other day. What other performance market will allow shops to totally screw over vendor's and customers??

How is Cobbs diesel still in business?? Our market has some growing up to do but we will get there.

I think the smarter the consumer gets will weed out the BS shops. Also the distribution side sucks. How can premier give the same pricing to some Guy selling parts in the evening to a big shop moving 80k a month? It doesn't reward acheivements.

But IM nobody haha

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White_monster · Jun 16, 2012

Yes were a young industry I cant disagree there at all. Maybe we as an industry should look at other industries and see what has worked for them. Might be a good idea. It's everywhere in the ford market, I don't look at the other brands much, but we rate everything in this much horsepower added over stock. Thats the stupidest way to rate things cause every vehicle is slightly different from the next one. Would you rate a set of cylinder heads in hp added? I think not, nor would you rate an intake manifold in hp as well. Theres tons of examples of this and it should be corrected. Things like this should be rated in cfm's which are a consistent number every time.

01PSD · Jun 16, 2012

Agree 100%

clayton · Jun 16, 2012

forcefed6.4ford said:
But that's just it. Bench testing will take all the guess work and variables out of it due to truck set up. A stock intake flows X cfm. After porting flows X+Y cfm. The results will be duplicatable. Gassers have been doing it for years. Why dont our vendors do the same?

I can appreciate people claiming seat of the pants improvements. But that is only one interpretation of flow improvements. Why not take the time to get real tangible data? Its done with injectors, fuel systems, and tuning.

:whs:
Seems like evrything else claims HP gains, exhaust systems, air intakes etc...we all know thats a joke...

If I wanted to buy an intake this week which one do I buy? I dont know because no one has any numbers, not easily findable anyways, and not just HP gain numbers...Which unit flows the best, craftsmanship, all that good stuff? Other than GoGo which says 20% better flow at rear cylinders...
I dont get why its so secretive, I like Soots idea of comparing them all, get some cold hard numbers and people can pick themselves which unit is best for them....
F***, if work wasnt so slow this summer Id buy one of each and send them somewhere to test, keep one, then sell the rest!

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jwlandry · Jun 16, 2012

Since Doug has not covered anything up and has showed pics of what your getting I think that's an easy choice.

Dustball8504 · Jun 16, 2012

Choupique108 said:
Since Doug has not covered anything up and has showed pics of what your getting I think that's an easy choice.

If you dig through the Elite vendor section there are pics of theirs also, even a peak at the inside. Its MUCH cleaner and smoother than Dougs piece.

Dustball8504 · Jun 16, 2012

http://powerstrokearmy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7864

dommel01 · Jun 16, 2012

well while were on the topic, i see the company that built "The American Ride" truck has came out with their own ported manifolds, they run $400

whats the price on the sootpowered i didnt see it posted anywhere

Dustball8504 · Jun 16, 2012

dommel01 said:
well while were on the topic, i see the company that built "The American Ride" truck has came out with their own ported manifolds, they run $400

whats the price on the sootpowered i didnt see it posted anywhere

Link to the $400 intake? That isn't awful hard to believe, you can get a NEW intake from Ford for $138.00. I bought one and it's the one that'll be getting ported for the test.

forcefed6.4ford · Jun 16, 2012

Taken directly from Doug's site.

"Stock for stock the 6.4L manifold outflows the 6.0L manifold but they share one thing in common, they both have a 20% difference in flow from the front to rear. After porting the manifold the difference front to rear was less than 1% after the porting was done. The porting has already shown 100 degree drops in EGTs by evening out the flow and helping the rears burn the fuel."