4r100 learning

[b00stleak]

Hey guys, I searched around a bit but couldn't find the answer. Is the transmission able to learn after a programmer/chip is installed? Or is it locked into whatever the tune's parameters are?

 

[Swaan]

Correct me if I wrong but I don't think adaptive learn stradigy didn't come out till the 5r110. I don't think the 4R is that smart.

 

[PABowhunter]

No adaptive learning in the 4r100.

 

[Mark Kovalsky]

No adaptive learning in the diesel 4R100. The gas versions DID have learning.

 

[b00stleak]

Ah gotcha. Well, when I installed my programmer, my shifts got noticeably softer at all throttle positions.

 

[Swaan]

Is there not a option for shift firmness on your programmer?? My old SCT I could adjust the line pressure on any shift I wanted too.
I got it just the way I liked it after some tweaking

 

[PSD POWER007]

I could've sworn there was a thread on here a few years back where PHP was saying there was learning and DP Tuner was saying there wasn't. I thought Bill posted a screen shot of the learning strategy controls. Guess I'm mistaken though. But it turned into a bash fest.

 

[b00stleak]

I could've sworn there was a thread on here a few years back where PHP was saying there was learning and DP Tuner was saying there wasn't. I thought Bill posted a screen shot of the learning strategy controls. Guess I'm mistaken though. But it turned into a bash fest.

See that's what I thought. I just put on an Edge Evolution, the old style. My shift points changed, but they are not as firm. It's only been on for a few days and lots of highway miles. Time will tell I think. If all else fails, I have the tugger kit just sitting there staring at me, waiting to be put to work.

 

[Swaan]

Well kavolskey would know. He said the gas ones did and the diesel version did not. He was the head trans guy at Ford when they designed those. I'm sure his word is golden.

 

[Mark Kovalsky]

Really? I got promoted! Do I get more money, too? :joy:

In reality I was an engineer. I was many levels away from being the head trans guy.

 

[Swaan]

All I know is you had a part in the design of the 4R .
So if anybody is going to know the answer to the ops question it is going to be you.

 

[PSD POWER007]

I'm not disputing what Mark said, I just referenced the pissing match between two top dog tuners over this same discussion.

 

[CSIPSD]

There is no learning in the 4r... IIRC there is some learning in the PCM in regards to the 4r, buts its little if anything to be concerned with.

 

[Arisley]

Is there not a option for shift firmness on your programmer?? My old SCT I could adjust the line pressure on any shift I wanted too.
I got it just the way I liked it after some tweaking

What you are referring to is not adaptive learning. While you can adjust the shift points and shift firmness, the transmission will not learn them and adjust them on it's own. It only does what it is told.

 

[Swaan]

What you are referring to is not adaptive learning. While you can adjust the shift points and shift firmness, the transmission will not learn them and adjust them on it's own. It only does what it is told.

Yeah I know that.

He was complaining his trans shifts soft so I recommended turning up the firmness with is programmer. Nothing to do with adaptive learning ..

 

[psduser1]

See that's what I thought. I just put on an Edge Evolution, the old style. My shift points changed, but they are not as firm. It's only been on for a few days and lots of highway miles. Time will tell I think. If all else fails, I have the tugger kit just sitting there staring at me, waiting to be put to work.

Ummm, maybe the tune on the edge?
Custom tuners should be able to help you.

 

[Mark Kovalsky]

All I know is you had a part in the design of the 4R .
So if anybody is going to know the answer to the ops question it is going to be you.

Technically I never worked in the 4R100 department. But I did work in a team that supplied transmissions to an off road race team. Over the years we built E4ODs, then 4R100s, then 5R110s for them. We won several championships and many races, including the Baja 1000 several times.

There is no learning in the 4r... IIRC there is some learning in the PCM in regards to the 4r, buts its little if anything to be concerned with.

No transmission has learning. The adaptive software resides in the PCM. The gas 4R100 models do have adaptive, the diesel models do not. A different software group wrote the diesel 4R100 software, and they didn't believe that they could make adaptive work with a diesel. They were wrong, as we showed them with the 5R110.

 

[b00stleak]

Ummm, maybe the tune on the edge?
Custom tuners should be able to help you.

Eh I'm gonna drive it like this and see if anything changes. The edge was free so I will just experiment a little and see what happens. If nothing changes after I get quite a bit of stop as go driving, then I will put in my tugger kit. Buying another chip doesn't make sense. I just want a little more performance out of this truck, not max effort.

 

[Northwoods2002]

Did you have achip/tuner before you installed this?

Mark K. could agree or tell me I should shut up, but you could be noticing a wore out transmission. While your engine was running stock, the transmission may have felt strong but now that you've upped the power levels, an 'ok' transmission for stock power is not able to handle the new hp/tq...

 

[b00stleak]

Did you have achip/tuner before you installed this?

Mark K. could agree or tell me I should shut up, but you could be noticing a wore out transmission. While your engine was running stock, the transmission may have felt strong but now that you've upped the power levels, an 'ok' transmission for stock power is not able to handle the new hp/tq...

It was all stock. I turned the Edge up to the highest setting and it brought back the shift firmness. I'm not sure how many miles the trans has. I know its been replaced. The truck has 330k. This is the first time its ever had anything on it.