You can bust any trans with that much or less power. Tranny is.a.wear item. There are no forevers. Closest thing would be.some stock.sized injectors and tuning. It'll last much longer and be a pure bore to drive. Mod it, it will break.
Anyone broke a BTS 5r?
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Standing behind the trans is a given with Brian. The point is, when you're walking home with your truck sitting in a ditch behind you the choice will seem very pointless. Especially after your truck sits without a trans for a month or so a couple times, lol.
You'll come around to my way of thinking if you ever actually put down 600+ daily and actually use all of it often.
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Idk why people.get so.bent out of shape when you comment. Much less over.something obvious.
I understand what you're saying, and I appreciate your input, but get off your soapbox for a minute and realize that i'm only trying to determine the best course of action.
I've talked to Brian about it, and will certainly talk to him again at length when I decide to buy a trans.
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ok, wtf.
let me point out that charles has 600+ on tap, and uses it everyday. and has broken several bts 4r's.
there are countless people who have ran every trans made, by all builders, except for maybe the stg 5 from elite, that have broken them on 600 ish hp.
this is the point that everyone is trying to make, that your not grasping. trying to make a decision on a trans, based on your expected hp level is FKING STUPID. it does not matter what brand of trans, it will break if you drive it at, and use, 600+ every day.
use the points that charles has made. "Make the decision based on whether or not you like the shift feel of a trans like a 5R, vs a stacked planetary trans like the 4R, or on whether or not you think that extra gear is important in the 5R, or whether or not you feel like going through the trouble of swapping things over, so on and so forth."
or let me break it down another way.
you have talked to the guy who your getting a trans from. Brian. and he has told you that he wants you to put in a 4r. he has told you that he recommends the 4r. he has said, that based on what you are going to do with your truck, use a 4r.
so now your going to take the general public's opinion over the guy who your expecting to back your trans, should you have a failure.
and the general public's opinion is there is no right answer, and you want to get pissy with people who say that, as apparantly your expecting us to tell you one way or the other which way to go.
it does not matter how many times you ask the question, or bump up this thread, your going to get the same answer every time.
an right about now, your option is to suck it up, make your own damn decision like everyone else who has had to make it, and get a trans in your truck. or don't.
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Good luck dude. Being so close to Brian I would tend to go with the easiest route, which is the 5R in your truck. If/when you break it, it's a quick trailer ride to his shop. Knowing him, he'd probably pull the damn thing for you too, lol.
Only time I ever payed for anything was the time I literally pulled the bill from his hands and bought breakfast one morning despite him already telling me to forget it, he was paying.
I would make my decision based on things like what I suggested before, because both are going to break at some point. But I'll stop harping on that and leave you to it.
Only time I ever payed for anything was the time I literally pulled the bill from his hands and bought breakfast one morning despite him already telling me to forget it, he was paying.
I would make my decision based on things like what I suggested before, because both are going to break at some point. But I'll stop harping on that and leave you to it.
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Charles, is the character Sheldon on "The Big Bang Theory" based on you?
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as soon as you learn to read past the blunt, straightforward, sometimes overly rude, he isn't.....wrong.
very often.
very often.
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Sheldon is never wrong either. Charles is a smart dude, I was just making a funny.
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LOL
I am gonna have to plead Sheldon on this one...is that sarcasm?
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nope
this
IMO this has been a great thread overall so I don't see any use on creating any further derails. I will send you a PM.
Now, back to the topic...as it has been said over and over, if man makes it, it will break. I can't imagine anyone on this forum doesn't know that BUT some sh#t/products break easier than others. For example, it seems like most of you agree that SC doesn't hold as well as some other builders' trannies. Questions like the OP is asking is how we find out that kind of info since there aint no Consumer Reports for aftermarket diesel products. At least to me, trying to find out more about what caused such and such's 5r or 4r failures is legit. Granted if Mike D, Craig, Mike C, Colton, etc. break a tranny, it don't tell us much cause they are known to drive the h#ll out of their high HP trucks...but if I hear 10 whatever brand failed within a year on trucks with mild builds who don't beat the p#ss out of the their trucks, I think I would consider buying something else. That is why I want to hear about 4r or 5r failures (whichever brand it is...BTS, Elites, etc.). I do acknowledge that since Brian has a great reputation as a builder and backing up his products, the OP would probably be fine in whichever one he chooses for his expected HP and driving style, but it is still worthwhile to the goods and bads that people have experienced with all the brands.
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true.
but.
the op was asking about BRIANS 4r or BRIANS 5r, and which he should go with. as if our opinion mattered. then when we gave him it, he for some reason kept asking the same question, getting the same answer, and got a little attitude when it didn't change.
when the builder of the 2 trans in question, tells you he would rather not see his 5r put in the truck, for the reasons he gave, and would prefer you put in his 4r, for longevity/reliability reasons,why then continue asking us when the man himself has spoken.
it does not seem like he's after opinions though, he's after us to tell him which one to get so he does not have to make the decision himself, regardless what the builder says.
but.
the op was asking about BRIANS 4r or BRIANS 5r, and which he should go with. as if our opinion mattered. then when we gave him it, he for some reason kept asking the same question, getting the same answer, and got a little attitude when it didn't change.
when the builder of the 2 trans in question, tells you he would rather not see his 5r put in the truck, for the reasons he gave, and would prefer you put in his 4r, for longevity/reliability reasons,why then continue asking us when the man himself has spoken.
it does not seem like he's after opinions though, he's after us to tell him which one to get so he does not have to make the decision himself, regardless what the builder says.
As far as im concerned there are more high HP 5r 6.0's and 6.4's out there than 4R. That alone proves the point made in this thread. The 5r "easier" to do, less added parts, less hassle, has more comfort features at this point in time, and will last just as long as a 4r, when treated the same. Either will last or not last, just as long as the other.
Good point. Cant argue with that.
