Barder stage 2 who's all running it?

sasquatch24 · Nov 30, 2013

just looking for some feedback. would it be a good choice for a daily driver/tow rig? how is the spool, comparable to a powermax? stock fuel or aftermarket? if aftermarket what size injector and nozzles? who's tuning are you running?

If i hear good things, I'm going to order me one after the first of the year. built from a new powermax. Then maybe by summer time i can through some 175/75% into the mix. If that would be a good combo.

mcdaniel1991 · Nov 30, 2013

I would also like to know. I called about the stage 2 a few weeks ago and he told me it ran well on the stock sticks and best on 175's.

HobbyStock62 · Nov 30, 2013

Very good turbo. I love mine. Running stock fuel for now, plan to do 175/75s in the summer aswell. Gearhead srl+ tune really bought it to life. Pulls 12k better than my stock and less boost when under load going up a hill.

peixinho · Nov 30, 2013

How heavy do you tow?

It is my opinion that 175/30 makes it much easier to tow with... I know this is a turbo thread but just food for thought

sasquatch24 · Nov 30, 2013

peixinho said:
How heavy do you tow?

It is my opinion that 175/30 makes it much easier to tow with... I know this is a turbo thread but just food for thought

im glad you brought it up. the most i would pull is a 30' gooseneck with another truck on it. I don't pull that much often. just a few times a year when sled pulling starts around here. 190/30% be a better idea?

ODAWG714 · Dec 1, 2013

There's several guys I know that are running it with stock injectors and 175/30 and love it and tow 8-14k.. I ran the 2.5 which is the same compressor wheel but a larger turbine and spool up was finaminal. You'll love it

1fastTRX · Dec 1, 2013

I've got the stage 2 with stock injectors. I love it! I borrowed a billet wheeled powermax while Barder worked his magic. Spool is on par. I towed about 10k lbs with it, but only at 55mph; because of my 35s and stock gears I wasn't in OD. It did great for me. I have a write up here somewhere on it. Daily driver mannerisms are great. I DD with Gearheads SRLXX.

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sasquatch24 · Dec 1, 2013

ODAWG714 said:
There's several guys I know that are running it with stock injectors and 175/30 and love it and tow 8-14k.. I ran the 2.5 which is the same compressor wheel but a larger turbine and spool up was finaminal. You'll love it

why did you decide to run the 2.5 instead of just the 2? Are there more benifits to running the 2.5 then the 2?

1fastTRX said:
I've got the stage 2 with stock injectors. I love it! I borrowed a billet wheeled powermax while Barder worked his magic. Spool is on par. I towed about 10k lbs with it, but only at 55mph; because of my 35s and stock gears I wasn't in OD. It did great for me. I have a write up here somewhere on it. Daily driver mannerisms are great. I DD with Gearheads SRLXX.

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this is what i like to hear. my truck also has 35's so i know what you mean about the towing in OD. when you got the turbo, did you get matt to rewrite your tunes for that turbo? I'm running eric's extreme street right now and I'm just wondering if i can keep my tunes now or if i need to get ones pacifically for that turbo.

1fastTRX · Dec 1, 2013

sasquatch24 said:
why did you decide to run the 2.5 instead of just the 2? Are there more benifits to running the 2.5 then the 2?

this is what i like to hear. my truck also has 35's so i know what you mean about the towing in OD. when you got the turbo, did you get matt to rewrite your tunes for that turbo? I'm running eric's extreme street right now and I'm just wondering if i can keep my tunes now or if i need to get ones pacifically for that turbo.

I couldn't spool the stock turbo at 55mph in OD... lol. Powermax tuning should work well since the turbine is basically the same. My first tune from matt was for this turbo. I also got all new tunes from IDP, but I had those way before the stage 2 from when I was running an mtw. IDP has the shif point into OD perfect at 65mph. Its hard to get under the turbo because it downshifts right away. My Gearhead tune shifts a little early (55mph), but I haven't bothered to ask for a rewrite because I'm getting it regeared.

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sasquatch24 · Dec 1, 2013

1fastTRX said:
I couldn't spool the stock turbo at 55mph in OD... lol. Powermax tuning should work well since the turbine is basically the same. My first tune from matt was for this turbo. I also got all new tunes from IDP, but I had those way before the stage 2 from when I was running an mtw. IDP has the shif point into OD perfect at 65mph. Its hard to get under the turbo because it downshifts right away. My Gearhead tune shifts a little early (55mph), but I haven't bothered to ask for a rewrite because I'm getting it regeared.

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glad to hear someone doing some decent towing with this turbo. sorry for the confusion lol.

ODAWG714 · Dec 1, 2013

sasquatch24 said:
why did you decide to run the 2.5 instead of just the 2? Are there more benifits to running the 2.5 then the 2?

I have 175/75 injectors so I went the bigger route and purchased the stage 3 which has the larger turbine and as a back up charger I had Barder build the stage2.5, I tried them both out and loved them both. I drove 1fasts truck aka Logan and it's on point and hauls a$$. I can guarantee you will love it

borsky · Dec 5, 2013

I have one with 155 stocks and its awesome, it spools way better then my pmax with the batmo, and zero surge. Havent towed yet, I will soon though, the only tune Ive had written for it is the idp x street and I am very happy, he has the shifting on the nadp trans perfect, so im sticking with him. the turbo with his tuning makes exactly 30psi under wot and runs very good ratios, my cruising egts are down and wot egt's are down as well,

sasquatch24 · Dec 26, 2013

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1fastTRX · Dec 27, 2013

Nice

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MINK · Dec 27, 2013

Sooo....what SHOULD a truck make for power with this turbo and 175s?

ODAWG714 · Dec 27, 2013

MINK said:
Sooo....what SHOULD a truck make for power with this turbo and 175s?

500's for sure

I ran a 8.24 on a powermax and 175/75s on the 1/8 with 4.10 gears. Just sayin

sasquatch24 · Dec 27, 2013

I'm wanting to know what this turbo will do with some 190/30% :evil

swinky · Dec 27, 2013

MINK said:
Sooo....what SHOULD a truck make for power with this turbo and 175s?

I'd say anywhere between 320 and 658.

Seriously the dyno numbers on the 6liters have been all over the place lately lol but I'd bet that combo would be good for 550ish. I'd be confident his stage 2 with 175/75s, good tuning and all the supporting mods would be a great combo for a high 12sec dd.

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swinky · Dec 27, 2013

ODAWG714 said:
500's for sure

I ran a 8.24 on a powermax and 175/75s on the 1/8 with 4.10 gears. Just sayin

That's almost good for a 12 right there!

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ODAWG714 · Dec 28, 2013

sasquatch24 said:
I'm wanting to know what this turbo will do with some 190/30% :evil

It would haul ass. Stage 3 would be nice too with that setup.
A buddy of mine is gonna be running the 2.5 with 175/30 for towing purposes so I'll let ya know how that combo works out