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Riverside

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I can't say how a 76 with stk VGT on stk fuel does As far as BP goes cause iv had a 59 VGT.
This is a post after I got the 76 on my truck.
Sorry its long

From my experience with my truck (stock fuel) I can say...

Going from spartan tuning - stock turbos - AFE intake - RCD cac pipe - AFE dpf delete pipe (rest of exhaust was stock)

To

Spartan tuning - elite 72/59 turbos - AFE intercooler - valve train up grades - 4" DP to 5" straight through exhaust - no limit intake - RCD ported intake.

The 72/59 came on sooner then stock
Came to full boost faster
And dam sure pulled harder.

Only reason I listed the mods besides the turbos is cause im sure they had an affect on the overall behavior of the 72/59 effects on the truck.

I then acquired gearhead tunes and OUO traction bars.
That further improved the overall manners of the truck and felt like it ran that much better....more pull on top is what I would say I noticed the most next to the shifting.....so nice.

Followed up was a fully built tranny w/1600rpm RCD TC.
The tranny made the truck "feel" like it was making more power...Although clearly it wasn't making any more power.

Now up is 6.0 manifolds and high power Jr's 76/59.
This will be ran on stock fuel without a gate.

Again, only reason I listed the steps of my truck is because of the other mods affect on the truck adding to the way it drives now to how it was when I got it.

Stock turbos boost and back pressure....
50 - 53 boost
What the hell is BP lol (I was learning)

72/59 :
58-60psi boost
80-85 of absolute BP. (My atmospheric pressure were I live is 14psi)

This is what i experienced with high power Jr's 76/59 on stock fuel and Gearhead race tune.*


From a dead stop spool up is just as good as my old TPP 72/59.


The 76 spools more aggressively.*

What I mean by that is weather your just rolling into it or mashing it to the floor it has more pull to it while spooling.*


The 76 is just as smooth at building boost as my ol 72 but the 76 just wants to go, witch translates to pulling harder through the middle and top.

It just feels like it has more punch to it.


Back pressure is down overall.*

It will still climb to low 80s (absolute) in the very top part of the RPMs at WOT.


Peak boost is down slightly from 60 to 54


EGTs are down as well.

WOT have produced 1350 egt were as the 72 was around 1475 - 1500s

Cruising temps are also down 50 - 100

Rolling into it fairly hard temps didn't break 1000.


Overall, *at least on my truck the 76 feels like it makes more power....spools as good.....dropped EGTs enough worth noting and drives as good if not better then my 72.


IMO its a worth while upgrade (especially if more fuel is added) over the 72 that im very pleased with.

Again, keep in mind I've had a 59mm vgt with the 72 and 76.
 
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Not to start a pissing match but the 75 uses a 77mm 12 blade turbine. The 76 uses a stock size 74mm 10 blade turbine. Just saying that the 75 has a larger turbine wheel and housing. I have compressor specs too.... We will have back to back numbers some time this summer.

They both work. I don't make either of them. But I have my preference. I have experience with both.
 

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I really dont want to see this spiral into a poo flinging thread, and i really dont think that is the intent of any posting in this thread. There are a lot of people that want to run large chargers without the added head ache of fuel upgrades or required mods to run remotes/non r&r compounds, and either of these options would be worth while. I think the more feed back and personal impressions of either set up would be well received. At the end of the day.... All I know is that I'm really looking forward to installing my 75/59.
 
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I didn't state my opinion. Just facts about the actual wheel dimensions and measurements.

Like I said not to start a pissing match. But there are fundamental differences. I don't make either turbo. But with having seen and around both running I can say that they both work. But I do have one that I think is better. But I'm sure it will be met with opposition that is not based of facts and experience.

Take the info fwiw
 

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Not to start a pissing match but the 75 uses a 77mm 12 blade turbine. The 76 uses a stock size 74mm 10 blade turbine. Just saying that the 75 has a larger turbine wheel and housing. I have compressor specs too.... We will have back to back numbers some time this summer.

They both work. I don't make either of them. But I have my preference. I have experience with both.

I thought the 76 had a 76.7 wheel? Did I read this wrong or am I missing something?

ForceFed....great point. From what I have seen so far, they are both great options. Which is the "best"....until we get a back to back dyno and track comparison (which will likely never happen), who knows. Feedback from the guys who run them is definitely important....I look forward to getting my truck back and look forwarding to hearing your thoughts.
 

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Sorry guys.
Not trying to push a brand of charger or sway an opinion based from my experience....not at all.

I was only trying to agree that the lager drop in atmos have benefits over their smaller brethren with my 1st post in this thread.

I should of left out my short story experience after that.
Sorry about that.
That was wrote originally for a thread that was directly talking about 72 vs 76.....not this.

For what its worth I ended up with a 76 from a series of circumstances.
If I would of had a free and clear choice (circumstance free)
I think I could of very, very easily ended up choosing a 75/59
 

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Sorry guys.
Not trying to push a brand of charger or sway an opinion based from my experience....not at all.

I was only trying to agree that the lager drop in atmos have benefits over their smaller brethren with my 1st post in this thread.

I should of left out my short story experience after that.
Sorry about that.
That was wrote originally for a thread that was directly talking about 72 vs 76.....not this.

For what its worth I ended up with a 76 from a series of circumstances.
If I would of had a free and clear choice (circumstance free)
I think I could of very, very easily ended up choosing a 75/59

I definitely didn't take that as "choosing sides". Your feedback is HUGE. It is only the 2nd review I have seen on the JHP. I already bought mine, but to everyone that is still trying to decide, your post has to be one of the most important ones out there right now. For everyone who isn't biased by brand name, posts by the people who use them will be a major factor in their decision.
 

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No way was I saying you are in the wrong. There's no clear winner. What we need is real testimonies. I was merely giving mine. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers.

Just to clarify, your 75 is not an II, correct? IIRC it is a RCD? If so, which brand is it based off of?
 

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The only 75 that I know of is RCD. What do you mean what is it based off of? Their all based off factory turbos

OK, I though II made a 75/59 combo...once again, it looks like I was wrong. I meant who makes the wheel...for example, Elite runs Precision, there are cast wheels, batmo made wheels, etc.
 

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They are a proprietary made wheel for rcd. I don't think I am allowed to say by who.. They are not a batmo though.

Ok, thanks.....that explains why I have never heard much about the wheel. BTW didn't think they were a batmo LOL
 

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Well, Its at Ford and they're saying it will communicate just fine in the stock tuning besides the fault codes for it being deleted, but once you tune it, It looses all communication...Some code for PCM Bus Control A "off" and another for lost communication with PCM. The turbos come on and off during this time as well. Strange. Bad ECM or something?
 

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Well, Its at Ford and they're saying it will communicate just fine in the stock tuning besides the fault codes for it being deleted, but once you tune it, It looses all communication...Some code for PCM Bus Control A "off" and another for lost communication with PCM. The turbos come on and off during this time as well. Strange. Bad ECM or something?

There is so much junk in this thread lets see if I got this straight...

You were running canned sct tunes, did an egr w/ elbow delete and got a CEL code? (Y/N)

You then installed an IDP tune and the CEL went away? (Y/N)

You are having some communication codes? What codes are these? Did they cause a cel or did you just scan and happen to find these codes?
 

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