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Message: [QUOTE="Strokersace, post: 692470, member: 622"] Ok, now that I've sobered up slightly and re read this I still say monkey meet football because you all are saying the same thing just in a different way. Plain and simple!! The issue with the 38r is that its the max you can go on the stock setup. They have ridiculous back pressures. Sure the ww and 1.15 help, but that's another $600+ onto the original $1500 price tag. Still have bp issues. NO, you don't see many turbos blow, but the motors below are taking massive abuse when people run larger and larger injectors and push it past the point the 38r is designed for. So as Ron did, then you sell that setup to "upgrade" to a t-4 style in order to better match a larger turbo with the larger sticks. You're not limited to one size. Hell you can many different options with the same turbo by using different exhaust housings. It doesn't make a hoot if its a journal bearing or a ball bearing. A properly sized journal bearing turbo will last just as well as a 38r AND have much less bp. A ball bearing t-4 turbo is just icing on the cake. Back pressure is the enemy no matter what turbo option. So a clapped out 38r set you back $2100 ish up front. You do your motor no favors when its there. Sell it for $1300ish. Now you have $800 to put towards an "upgraded" setup. With the cheapest kit out there and a properly sized journal bearing turbo you're looking at $2500ish (guessing on #s here). Put your $800 towards it and still pay $1700 out of pocket. OR... skip set 1 with the clapped out 38r for $2100 and go t-4 for $400 more. Like Ron said, do it right the 1st time!!! The s366 argument going on here is a mute point. Chase admitted he misspoke about it specifically and was meaning the mounting system with his comments. But hey, if someone decides to go t-4 before going bigger injectors, then an s366 might be the ticket. Go bigger sticks, upgrade to larger turbo. It's a no brainer. Let it go. You are all making the same point, just in different ways. There shouldn't be a comparison between the 38r and a specific journal bearing turbo. The comparison SHOULD be about mounting options - which leads to a wide array of turbo options, and back pressure. The ball bearing 38r lacks in all of those categories. It's a great option for the "over the counter" type just like Banks, Edge, Bully Dog, etc. How many of us still use those company's kits and "end all" products??? Facts are facts, JACK!! [/QUOTE]