B code v.s. Hybrid

[Charles]

Charles

It really doesn't matter, B codes are worthless paper weights

So the misinformation you spoke of as being apparent in previous posts was obviously not important enough for you to actually do anything about it.

Your above post was 0% data and not unlike most of yours 100% rhetoric.

If you wonder why people don't "get it", it's because IT doesn't make sense and you constantly provide ZERO valid factual support.

 

[Powerstroke Racer]

So the misinformation you spoke of as being apparent in previous posts was obviously not important enough for you to actually do anything about it.

Your above post was 0% data and not unlike most of yours 100% rhetoric.

If you wonder why people don't "get it", it's because IT doesn't make sense and you constantly provide ZERO valid factual support.

Ya I keep forgetting my times and MPH were really never real or factual on Snow White, Amanda's or Danny's truck.

But then again all 3 ran/run parts that don't work either.

 

[Powerstroke Cowboy]

This if kind of off topic but.... What would a reverse hybrid be??? A "B" code with a 6.0mm P&B???? What would the Presser ratio be on them???


Thanks

David

 

[powerstrokenstang]

9:1 iirc. Been a long time since they were talked about.

 

[Hotrodtractor]

This if kind of off topic but.... What would a reverse hybrid be??? A "B" code with a 6.0mm P&B???? What would the Presser ratio be on them???


Thanks

David

You need a set of them thar reverse hybrid injection thingies. oke:

 

[Chvyrkr]

You need a set of them thar reverse hybrid injection thingies. oke:

I agree, now that he's not doing that supercharger or twins he'll need the injection pressure.

 

[Powerstroke Cowboy]

You need a set of them thar reverse hybrid injection thingies. oke:

I agree, now that he's not doing that supercharger or twins he'll need the injection pressure.

LOL You guys are a mess!!!

But Really. What are they made out of? I would not want a set. I could not make good power with them well maybe 300 to 350. BUT that depends on what parts they have. That is what i want to know..


Thanks for recomending them for me though.:thumbsup: I think they would spool a procharger quit well!?!?!!!:lookaround:

 

[Chvyrkr]

They are what the name implies. A reverse hybrid.

 

[TyCorr]

So the misinformation you spoke of as being apparent in previous posts was obviously not important enough for you to actually do anything about it.

Your above post was 0% data and not unlike most of yours 100% rhetoric.

If you wonder why people don't "get it", it's because IT doesn't make sense and you constantly provide ZERO valid factual support.

Ya I keep forgetting my times and MPH were really never real or factual on Snow White, Amanda's or Danny's truck.

But then again all 3 ran/run parts that don't work either.

This thread feels like the longest night at the bar possible. Like Ive been sitting here, buying some woman drinks, wondering is this broad gonna show me the inside of her pants at the end of the night? Or am I gonna be wondering what the point of her drinking my drinks and groping me was all for?

I keep checking this one just to see what certain people have to say but nothing gets resolved.

Mr. Lott, you gonna let out that kernel that you seem to be holding back?! Or is this gonna be another long night at the bar? The two quotes I posted above are pretty much the way this thread has been going since it started. A couple different people are providing information but then you drop the cat turd in the punch bowl with some post that doesnt contain anything but a jab at people saying hybrids with 200% tips(the norm) are better for everything than a b code with a 200% tip.

Come on! Lets hear it...

 

[Hotrodtractor]

Ya I keep forgetting my times and MPH were really never real or factual on Snow White, Amanda's or Danny's truck.

But then again all 3 ran/run parts that don't work either.

Just imagine how fast you could have went with the right set of hybrids in those trucks.

I can stick up for the B-code a bit when it comes to injection control for DD ability - but I can't stick up for it at all when it comes to all out power.

 

[Powerstroke Racer]

Without name dropping or causing a giant battle, is there there a way to discuss the pro's and con's of each?

I have heard people that like both.

I've already got big oil, so the B code being oil hungry isnt a problem. This is a discussion of which injector is best (not including what you need to support the injector).


My 250/200 Casserly built hybrids have treated me awesome, but id like to explore a little if a B code is also a good option!

Just imagine how fast you could have went with the right set of hybrids in those trucks.

I can stick up for the B-code a bit when it comes to injection control for DD ability - but I can't stick up for it at all when it comes to all out power.

The OP was talking about a DD and so was I, you guys went off on the max power scenario, you guys said B codes are no good for anything but lowend power, I say they are a great all around injector, Charles goes off on his tangent about things that have no relevance to the discussion, same as he does on the torque vs horsepower, where turbines and non responsive supra engines have no place in a SD truck:doh:

Next thing you know, everybody has learned something but they don't know what it is that they learned as it does not apply to the discussion at hand:doh::doh:

 

[Powerstroke Racer]

This thread feels like the longest night at the bar possible. Like Ive been sitting here, buying some woman drinks, wondering is this broad gonna show me the inside of her pants at the end of the night? Or am I gonna be wondering what the point of her drinking my drinks and groping me was all for?

I keep checking this one just to see what certain people have to say but nothing gets resolved.

Mr. Lott, you gonna let out that kernel that you seem to be holding back?! Or is this gonna be another long night at the bar? The two quotes I posted above are pretty much the way this thread has been going since it started. A couple different people are providing information but then you drop the cat turd in the punch bowl with some post that doesnt contain anything but a jab at people saying hybrids with 200% tips(the norm) are better for everything than a b code with a 200% tip.

Come on! Lets hear it...

What did you learn from that information and how will you apply it?

BTW there is no secret kernel of information, the secret is in experimenting and EXPERIENCE to know what actually works and what doesn't.

 

[Hotrodtractor]

The OP was talking about a DD and so was I, you guys went off on the max power scenario, you guys said B codes are no good for anything but lowend power, I say they are a great all around injector, Charles goes off on his tangent about things that have no relevance to the discussion, same as he does on the torque vs horsepower, where turbines and non responsive supra engines have no place in a SD truck:doh:

Next thing you know, everybody has learned something but they don't know what it is that they learned as it does not apply to the discussion at hand:doh::doh:

Slow down there. I clearly stated that the b-code would have better injection pressures in a low ICP environment and a hybrid would have better injection pressures in a high ICP environment. I stated at high ICP pressures the b-code would have better injection pressures than the a-code. I even went so far as to say that I thought I saw the point you were trying to make about making it a good all around injector. Then after several pages I proceeded to state that B-codes fall directly in between the A-code and the hybrid when it comes to all out performance.

Can B-codes be a good all around injector? Sure. Do they befall the historical belief that they require big oil to run? No more than a Stage II or a hybrid injector needs big oil.

Seriously - Chuck gets under your skin way too easily Dave - I know the point you want to make - just go make it.

 

[Charles]

Ya I keep forgetting my times and MPH were really never real or factual on Snow White, Amanda's or Danny's truck.

But then again all 3 ran/run parts that don't work either.

Total cases of mis-information corrected and explained by David Lott thus far...

Exactly 0.00...




If you're going to imply that others are misleading then do all of us the favor of explaining how and then explaining things correctly.

If you realize you can't do that, then I would urge you to consider the possibility that you may in fact be fos when it comes right down to it.

 

[Charles]

To summarize...

The people that actually understand injectors would LOVE to have an injector with a hydraulic ratio BELOW 5:1......

Did everyone catch that? The ones that UNDERSTAND this discussion fully understand that they could make even MORE power if they had an injector even FARTHER down the hydraulic ratio spectrum than the hybrid. A 4:1 injector would make even MORE power than a hybrid, which ALREADY makes MORE power than a B, all else constant.


On the other side.... you've got B-code people. Who choose the B-code because of its increased hydraulic ratio over the hybrid..... but who then do NOT pick the A-code for ______ reasons, even though it has an even HIGHER hydraulic ratio THAN THE B! And who don't then pick the reverse hybrid because it has an even HIGHER injection ratio STILL, because ________??????!!!

Why do they not pick them? Because as you travel farther and farther down the hydraulic ratio spectrum from hybrid at one end, toward reverse hybrid at the other, the available injection rate keeps DECREASING. The available oil flow rate INTO these injectors is FIXED! The poppets are all IDENTICAL. So for any given pressure and whatever you want to do to the oilsides, they will flow _____ oil per millisecond. PERIOD.

Well, with that amount of oil, the hybrid will fill the void above it's smaller intensifier piston FASTER than the B-code will. It will also stroke that piston FARTHER down the bore than the B-code will, meaning that with both having IDENTICAL plungers, the hybrid has just moved more fuel per unit time. For anyone not up on current events, the one who moves more fuel per time across a given nozzle MAKES MORE POWER. The efficiency is HIGHER, the quality is HIGHER because the atomization and injection pressure is HIGHER.

This is because with any decently competitive nozzle the plunger is dropping faster than the oil can fill the chamber above the intensifier piston at full pressure. So.... the pressure differential keeps growing between the head rails and the chamber above the intensifier as the nozzle gets bigger and bigger. At around a 200% nozzle and at or above ~2800psi the plunger/intensifier are dropping fast enough that the pressure drop above the B-code intensifier is so great that the resultant pressure in that chamber is so much lower than the pressure inside the same chamber of a hybrid that even the greater surface area for the B-code intensifier CANNOT make up for it, and the resultant force applied to the plunger forcing the fuel across the nozzle is then LOWER for the B-code than for the hybrid!!!

This is reality. Everyday, any day, all day.


If I had some reliable 4:1 super hybrids I could run even greater ICP with accompanying changes to the poppet spring and move even MORE fuel across the same nozzles we have now in the SAME amount of time! The injection pressure at full tilt would be even HIGHER than what we can achieve now, and obviously so would the atomization and injection QUALITY.

At low demand the ICP would have to be held higher to account for the reduced hydraulic ratio.

Again.... this is REALITY. Not ride around town and call it good bs.


The ONLY reason everyone isn't running super hybrids in competition RIGHT NOW is the sheer cost and quality control associated with custom plungers and barrels. PERIOD.


If you don't want to know about the best technology you COULD use in your dd.... then you wouldn't start a thread debating the only two injector types people still even TRY to use. The OP clearly wanted to hear some ACTUAL information on the subject.


If all he wanted was the info that Lott has provided then the closest gypsy palm reader or a divining rod held near a set of hybrids and B-codes would have been more than sufficient.

 

[Hotrodtractor]

imp::flipa:

 

[Charles]

imp::flipa:

Cost...... quality control..... reliability....

 

[Hotrodtractor]

Cost...... quality control..... reliability....

Cost - still ironing that out - more than a standard set of hybrids - but not more than a new truck. LOL Seriously - not going to be hateful.

Quality control - no problem - this same shop does plungers and barrels for the big boys.

Reliability - these are coated - and have not had any issues on the bench - I'm just ironing out some low end flow control that will add a nice touch of crispness to the idle that you will like - once I get all that nonsense out of the way - then its road test time - I'm going to install them into something benign for the winter and see how they hold up to fuel delivery issues, gelling, etc... basically the worst case scenario - I already have the prints modified for the next set to improve assembly and do a neat little trick that reduces scoring during low fuel scenarios that I learned from a p-pump man that modified a LOT of plungers and barrels back in 2005-2006? when every mod truck in the country seemed to stick a pump WOT every other hook. But I am not worried. Its the competition that should be worried.

 

[JoeDaddy]

Derail for us uneducated.... What am i looking at? P&#'s? Significance?

 

[Charles]

Cost - still ironing that out - more than a standard set of hybrids - but not more than a new truck. LOL Seriously - not going to be hateful.

Quality control - no problem - this same shop does plungers and barrels for the big boys.

Reliability - these are coated - and have not had any issues on the bench - I'm just ironing out some low end flow control that will add a nice touch of crispness to the idle that you will like - once I get all that nonsense out of the way - then its road test time - I'm going to install them into something benign for the winter and see how they hold up to fuel delivery issues, gelling, etc... basically the worst case scenario - I already have the prints modified for the next set to improve assembly and do a neat little trick that reduces scoring during low fuel scenarios that I learned from a p-pump man that modified a LOT of plungers and barrels back in 2005-2006? when every mod truck in the country seemed to stick a pump WOT every other hook. But I am not worried. Its the competition that should be worried.

Are you going to address the need to run higher steady-state ICP by altering the poppet seat pressure or something similar?