Pistons

[Dzchey21]

isnt the price difference between elites pistons and ford pistons like 200 bucks?

Are we really going to have that big of a pissing match over it?

 

[benbou00]

Just like anything that is engineered and then re-engineered. The pistons that were cracking were examined, the original design was run through stress simulation with attention paid to where the cracks are occuring. Then the design was changed to reduce these stress areas and rerun through stress simulation.[QUOTE]

What more do ya want?

 

[derrick36]

Maybe you shouldn't and just leave it at that. If you don't understand how someone can engineer something with the intention to improve its capability you wont get the results you are looking for, for a few more years.

I understand the intent is there. I'm not disputing that at all. But intent, and actual data backing up the claim of "stronger" can be two different things.

How many high-hp rigs are running around filled with elite products? Maybe getting these pistons out to some of those customers for real-world testing BEFORE they claim their superiority is a better idea than claiming they're better without having proof.

I know that is a little far-fetched, but wouldn't it make more sense to buy a product based on facts instead of based on intent?

Does Elite sponsor any trucks? Could they have been shipped to those guys beforehand and put through real-world tests?

 

[bigrpowr]

Just like anything that is engineered and then re-engineered. The pistons that were cracking were examined, the original design was run through stress simulation with attention paid to where the cracks are occuring. Then the design was changed to reduce these stress areas and rerun through stress simulation.[QUOTE]

What more do ya want?

they want answers!!! they want the truth!! they demand and deserve it!!!

 

[powr2stroke]

It's useful info IMO to be answered...Look at what Rudys truck is doing...all that abuse on stock, coated flycut pistons and has never had a problem

I'm pretty sure those were finally trashed at piedmont last month

 

[Erikclaw]

Erik, do yourself a favor and stop while you are ahead. Tadd is no competition of mine. Im not in business with anyone who is involved with diesel performance, PERIOD. As well, If I wanted to call somebody a liar, I would. Nowhere in here do you see me doing any such thing. I simply was told something different, as was Shane. Thats all.

Well then choose your words more carefully buddy boy. That is the way it came across by reading it. And cool your jets when telling me what to do.

 

[Jeff@Spartan]

The MPD crew is probably pushing the limits of the stock pistsons. Be interesting to see how long the stockers last on Craig's truck.

 

[bigrpowr]

The MPD crew is probably pushing the limits of the stock pistsons. Be interesting to see how long the stockers last on Craig's truck.

maybe they can handle the truth!!

 

[Jeff@Spartan]

LMAO

 

[Dzchey21]

I understand the intent is there. I'm not disputing that at all. But intent, and actual data backing up the claim of "stronger" can be two different things.

How many high-hp rigs are running around filled with elite products? Maybe getting these pistons out to some of those customers for real-world testing BEFORE they claim their superiority is a better idea than claiming they're better without having proof.

I know that is a little far-fetched, but wouldn't it make more sense to buy a product based on facts instead of based on intent?

Does Elite sponsor any trucks? Could they have been shipped to those guys beforehand and put through real-world tests?

This goes back to a earlier post of mine.

How do you actually test it?

Put it on a load dyno with 1700 egts sustained and see which lasts longer?

 

[bigrpowr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXoNE14U_zM

 

[Dzchey21]

The MPD crew is probably pushing the limits of the stock pistsons. Be interesting to see how long the stockers last on Craig's truck.

truth be told tho a larger nozzle and less pw should be better for the piston, i bet a stock turbo'd stock injectored truck is pretty hard on a piston with a big tune. High egts high pw

going off craigs dyno vid his egts are pretty decent

 

[bigrpowr]

This goes back to a earlier post of mine.

How do you actually test it?

Put it on a load dyno with 1700 egts sustained and see which lasts longer?

i have a few spare motors...

 

[powr2stroke]

Oh $hit

 

[derrick36]

This goes back to a earlier post of mine.

How do you actually test it?

Put it on a load dyno with 1700 egts sustained and see which lasts longer?

I have no idea how you test it. That is the problem.
But if there is no test, how can the claim be thrown out that they're stonger. There is nothing backing that up.

I feel like I've said this 30 times so far.

I get that they were put through a stress test, but the stock pistons have also been put through SEVERAL stress tests.

 

[bigrpowr]

I have no idea how you test it. That is the problem.
But if there is no test, how can the claim be thrown out that they're stonger. There is nothing backing that up.

I feel like I've said this 30 times so far.

I get that they were put through a stress test, but the stock pistons have also been put through SEVERAL stress tests.

dont buy them bro!!

 

[Erikclaw]

Derrick I advise you not to buy anything in the aftermarket. Most things advertised does not show proof of it being better. You take the information given to you and make an educated decision. Now I know you will say that is what you are trying to do, but asking the same thing 100 different ways doesn't help. Just as Dustin said, how are you going to test these things without spare motors laying around and willing to shell out big $$$$$? Tadd explained what is different about them and if you don't think it is worth it then don't consider buying them.

I am 30% stronger than you, now that is probably a fact. How are you going to prove it?

 

[Dzchey21]

I have no idea how you test it. That is the problem.
But if there is no test, how can the claim be thrown out that they're stonger. There is nothing backing that up.

I feel like I've said this 30 times so far.

I get that they were put through a stress test, but the stock pistons have also been put through SEVERAL stress tests.

but if a stock piston was set up on a test bench and simlar stress's were applied to it and it failed like seen in the real world, and then a new design was put through the same paces and didnt fail, i would say that its a start.

so if you have admitted that there is no way to test, then i dont really know what to tell you man, i understand what you are saying 100% but were having this argument over a couple hundred bucks on an engine thats going to cost 1000's of dollars to have built. for me if im spending the money ill drop 200 more on the ones that didnt fail on the test bench, new design, refined stock, whatever i dont care as long as it apears to be different.

 

[PTSUPERD]

dont buy them bro!!

I tend to agree. This is a full on aftermarket part. Buy at your own risk. Average guy running a tuner and exhaust will never even consider these....


I have no doubt there is a market...and it's growing daily.

 

[Dzchey21]

I tend to agree. This is a full on aftermarket part. Buy at your own risk. Average guy will never even consider these....

i probably wont even, **** happens, injectors hang, things melt, i like to keep it cheap as possible so when it does fail i can afford to fix it again, or pretend lol

Derrick, this is a great discussion, dont take what im saying as a hit at you, i just think your expecting too much confidential information on a product that is fresh to the market.