Pistons

[SDS97_7.3]

but if a stock piston was set up on a test bench and simlar stress's were applied to it and it failed like seen in the real world, and then a new design was put through the same paces and didnt fail, i would say that its a start.

so if you have admitted that there is no way to test, then i dont really know what to tell you man, i understand what you are saying 100% but were having this argument over a couple hundred bucks on an engine thats going to cost 1000's of dollars to have built. for me if im spending the money ill drop 200 more on the ones that didnt fail on the test bench, new design, refined stock, whatever i dont care as long as it apears to be different.

^^^This is the way I see it.

 

[Erikclaw]

i probably wont even, **** happens, injectors hang, things melt, i like to keep it cheap as possible so when it does fail i can afford to fix it again, or pretend lol

Derrick, this is a great discussion, dont take what im saying as a hit at you, i just think your expecting too much confidential information on a product that is fresh to the market.

At least if things fail you have an option to do something different.

 

[bigrpowr]

wish this option was here 3 months ago.... when 3 of my stock pistons were broke. 5k miles on the motor, stock injectors and medium size twins. i guess that doesnt qualify either.

 

[Jeff@Spartan]

wish this option was here 3 months ago.... when 3 of my stock pistons were broke. 5k miles on the motor, stock injectors and medium size twins. i guess that doesnt qualify either.

I thought it was determined that motor was most likely hurt before you got it.

 

[forcefed6.4ford]

The lip seemsa to be the underlying problem. Why not remove the lip. Blend it, coat uit all call it good? Why go through the effort of adding strenght with more metal and mass?

 

[Jhaddox]

wish this option was here 3 months ago.... when 3 of my stock pistons were broke. 5k miles on the motor, stock injectors and medium size twins. i guess that doesnt qualify either.

where the pistons you had coated? I do think this is gonna be an option but what makes em a better option than a machined hard coated piston?

I know nothing about piston strengths and why one is better than any other

 

[Dzchey21]

The lip seemsa to be the underlying problem. Why not remove the lip. Blend it, coat uit all call it good? Why go through the effort of adding strenght with more metal and mass?

Thicker metal handles the heat better. If you shaved too much off you have basically made the lip way bigger

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[Erikclaw]

where the pistons you had coated? I do think this is gonna be an option but what makes em a better option than a machined hard coated piston?

I know nothing about piston strengths and why one is better than any other

Stockers

Thicker metal handles the heat better. If you shaved too much off you have basically made the lip way bigger

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That makes sense.

 

[forcefed6.4ford]

I'm mean cut it right out. Gone.

 

[bigrpowr]

I thought it was determined that motor was most likely hurt before you got it.

thats what i assumed... then it continued to smoke white at startup..with oil ..so it wasnt the motor, i believe what i thought was the issue, wasnt , thought it was the primary turbo, swapped that, didnt fix it, looks like i have a leaking exhaust valve in one of the heads. thats the only thing i kept from the motor swap. smokes white at fire up every morning and hazes white til full temp. good thing its going under the knife, again. motor # 6 ..coming on up!

 

[Fast-6.0]

The lip seemsa to be the underlying problem. Why not remove the lip. Blend it, coat uit all call it good? Why go through the effort of adding strenght with more metal and mass?

Because many of the cracks are actually developing within the bowl, not on the lip. Hence the bowl redesign.

 

[Jeff@Spartan]

thats what i assumed... then it continued to smoke white at startup..with oil ..so it wasnt the motor, i believe what i thought was the issue, wasnt , thought it was the primary turbo, swapped that, didnt fix it, looks like i have a leaking exhaust valve in one of the heads. thats the only thing i kept from the motor swap. smokes white at fire up every morning and hazes white til full temp. good thing its going under the knife, again. motor # 6 ..coming on up!

I guess something is wrong with my truck too. Mine has white/blue hazed at idle in the morning until it reaches operating temp for 2 years now.

 

[forcefed6.4ford]

Thanks Tadd. I did not know that. All my cacks were on the lip.

 

[bigrpowr]

all my breaks were inside the bowl ..i had one kinda leak out, let me see if i have a pic to post.

 

[derrick36]

Derrick, this is a great discussion, dont take what im saying as a hit at you, i just think your expecting too much confidential information on a product that is fresh to the market.

I'm not taking any of this as a hit at me. No one has said anything derogatory or anything along those lines.

I don't think my questions are off-based or that I am asking for anything crazy.

My point is if there aren't clear answers as to why these are "better", don't tell us they are and just leave it at that.

Elite has the luxury of having plenty of customers waiting to snatch up every product they put their name on. Their track record and their reputation dictates that. Why not let some of those people try out their product BEFORE it is released to the general public? After they prove their worth, release the results of those tests. When that's done, sit back and wait for the profits to roll in.

 

[Dzchey21]

I guess something is wrong with my truck too. Mine has white/blue hazed at idle in the morning until it reaches operating temp for 2 years now.

Does it smell like oil tho?


mine does it too, mike and i talked about it, i determined that it had to be valve seals because the last time my valve cover was off i had 5 seals that were at the top of the valve rather than seated down on the valve guide like they should be, im just assuming that mine has a couple more since january that are the same

Not a big deal really, uses no oil and just smokes for a second or two.

 

[bigrpowr]

I guess something is wrong with my truck too. Mine has white/blue hazed at idle in the morning until it reaches operating temp for 2 years now.

most will haze when cold.... but are you seeing oil coming out your downpipe? are you seeing oil in your exhaust housings? do you plume white every time you start it? i know my truck, and its oil building/seeping into a cylinder, period. your truck is 700 hp on a tune, so you dont count.

 

[Jeff@Spartan]

most will haze when cold.... but are you seeing oil coming out your downpipe? are you seeing oil in your exhaust housings? do you plume white every time you start it? i know my truck, and its oil building/seeping into a cylinder, period. your truck is 700 hp on a tune, so you dont count.

LOL

No, I don't have oil in those places....at least not that I know of. My exhaust was swapped out about 2 months ago and the downpipe did not have any oil in it. I get a small black puff at start up.

 

[bigrpowr]

Why not let some of those people try out their product BEFORE it is released to the general public? After they prove their worth, release the results of those tests. When that's done, sit back and wait for the profits to roll in.

but what would answer your question with testing derrick? if its stock, it wont be different, if its high hp it wont be different. thats my point/question, what would answer this? put them in 20 1000+ hp trucks with spray an see if they all live? its so hard to know. you just have to put some faith into it, many of these parts are faith based, thats why people choose to do business with some of these comapnies. because they have delievered what they say it will do. now if a few sets of these fail, like quick, we all know. like tadd said, its re engineered, to give us a better chance of having the pistons live.

 

[BFT]

Wait... Stock ford pistons run at 1050 for all and these coated pistons run 1250? Well sh!t, if I ever crack or melt a piston then I will definitely be buying the coatedLOL