Pistons

[BFT]

This is gonna open up some worms, why is it everyone backs elite so hard, I mean look at MPD everyone says there single isn't as good as twins and it was going on to the point it got moved to another forum, a guy wants answers, elite can put there piston on a scale next to a stock one and show a weight difference correct without giving any of there secret metal blends right? I don't think anyone's bashing them they just want legit answers if your gonna post a number..

It got moved to another forum because things were getting a bit out of hand and turned to people talkin a bit of sh!t that's why it was out to the appropriate forum. Plus that thread was started about a single turbo over factory twins/sequential, not about MPD.

My reason for backing them is because they're pretty close to me and maybe a few others here. They make good products that go fast without sacrificing towing/drivability. Name a few of the BIG HP guys in the 6.4 and see where most of their stuff comes from

 

[oneturboforme]

No it got moved bc enough ppl pushed for real numbers and were taking it to far, so why do you guys beileve there strength benefits? And not push for some real numbers and not just take there word for it bc they are a "known" performance shop..... Is just like real numbers that's all

 

[oneturboforme]

I read an elite guy saying there 30% stronger, I'm not gonna argue that they make good products, just if they throw a number out like that prove it atleast somewhat, thats all I gave elites products on my truck, not gonna bash there products or there company, yes i had a bad experience with them but overall im happy with what i got... just saying i want numbers

 

[BFT]

No it got moved bc enough ppl pushed for real numbers and were taking it to far, so why do you guys beileve there strength benefits? And not push for some real numbers and not just take there word for it bc they are a "known" performance shop..... Is just like real numbers that's all

So THAT'S the reason it got moved... :doh:

I'm going to say this once... Keep this on topic and not because some other thread got moved to the appropriate place that does not pertain to this topic.

 

[jdgleason]

I read an elite guy saying there 30% stronger, I'm not gonna argue that they make good products, just if they throw a number out like that prove it atleast somewhat, thats all I gave elites products on my truck, not gonna bash there products or there company, yes i had a bad experience with them but overall im happy with what i got... just saying i want numbers

I dont believe you did read that... There was no one from elite that gave any numbers. I cant speak for anyone else.

 

[oneturboforme]

I dont believe you did read that... There was no one from elite that gave any numbers. I cant speak for anyone else.

Well my bad I actually thought you said it musta mixed it all up, bitching over, if no numbers were put out there then my bad continue with the arguement lol

 

[Spatel23]

isnt the price difference between elites pistons and ford pistons like 200 bucks?

Are we really going to have that big of a pissing match over it?

so if you have admitted that there is no way to test, then i dont really know what to tell you man, i understand what you are saying 100% but were having this argument over a couple hundred bucks on an engine thats going to cost 1000's of dollars to have built. for me if im spending the money ill drop 200 more on the ones that didnt fail on the test bench, new design, refined stock, whatever i dont care as long as it apears to be different.

are we still discussing a $200 price difference?

^^^^these things. Its a couple hundred $ worth of "insurance". When you are building a motor to these levels, most tend to add some parts just in case.
If somebody cant come to grips with spending a couple hundred $s over budget then the performance side of diesels is not for them. I guess its just personal preference of how an individual handles things.

 

[derrick36]

^^^^these things. Its a couple hundred $ worth of "insurance". When you are building a motor to these levels, most tend to add some parts just in case.
If somebody cant come to grips with spending a couple hundred $s over budget then the performance side of diesels is not for them. I guess its just personal preference of how an individual handles things.

I don't know how else to put this but there is ZERO proof that these are insurance other than Elite is telling us they are.

The money part is whatever. I definitely don't piss 100 dollar bills but $200 is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

All Im asking for is that the claim is backed up. I don't think that is too much ask is it?

 

[SDS97_7.3]

I don't know how else to put this but there is ZERO proof that these are insurance other than Elite is telling us they are.

The money part is whatever. I definitely don't piss 100 dollar bills but $200 is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

All Im asking for is that the claim is backed up. I don't think that is too much ask is it?

What about the stress tests that they put the stock pistons through compared to the reengineered pistons.

 

[Spatel23]

I understand, but in the real world (in actual dd and drag trucks) I think there are just too many variables at play to get definitive results.

I guess what Im getting at is, if I melt a piston(s) instead of putting the same ones back in I would spend the extra and try something else that is supposed to be better/stronger. Now that is not to say that those would not melt/fail at some point either, but again, just my mentality to try something different I guess.

 

[derrick36]

What about the stress tests that they put the stock pistons through compared to the reengineered pistons.

Ok, I'll take that back.

There is MINIMAL proof that these are better. I dont know what's all involved in a stress test on pistons but I'm envisioning some kind of computer program.

If that's the case, I'm sure the test is accurate but stress that these are actually put through in this stress test isn't anything that I can relate to.

I can relate to tests where they are put in high horsepower trucks or tests where they are ran for a substantial number of miles in stock or tuned form.

None of these things have been done to this point, but the claim of a superior product has been made.

That is why I'm questioning things.

 

[BFT]

Ok, I'll take that back.

There is MINIMAL proof that these are better. I dont know what's all involved in a stress test on pistons but I'm envisioning some kind of computer program.

If that's the case, I'm sure the test is accurate but stress that these are actually put through in this stress test isn't anything that I can relate to.

I can relate to tests where they are put in high horsepower trucks or tests where they are ran for a substantial number of miles in stock or tuned form.

None of these things have been done to this point, but the claim of a superior product has been made.

That is why I'm questioning things.

tests have most likely been done with the stockers yet the results are that they melt and crack but yet everyone will buy a piston or set to replace what they lost knowing it might happen.

is there a advantage over the stock pistons with the new reengineered pistons that has been made by a reputable company (mahle)?

 

[SDS97_7.3]

I understand why you are questioning things, but when it comes down to it there are so many aftermarket products in the automotive world that aren't tested like that. And some of them work some don't. But after reading Tadd's post's it seems as though they are stronger than stock. JMO

 

[derrick36]

tests have most likely been done with the stockers yet the results are that they melt and crack but yet everyone will buy a piston or set to replace what they lost knowing it might happen.

is there a advantage over the stock pistons with the new reengineered pistons that has been made by a reputable company (mahle)?

Yes, there seems(key word)to be an advantage. I'm not debating that.

 

[bigrpowr]

Yes, there seems(key word)to be an advantage. I'm not debating that.

you just wont stop. how many times do you have to be told your questions wont be answered, and they probaly never will be. i said let it go earlier, but the un-silent majortiy came in saying these questions should be answered... any answer you guys were looking for were either answered or they werent. base your purchase off what you have read so far, if you havent seen your answer yet, get the *** on.

 

[derrick36]

you just wont stop. how many times do you have to be told your questions wont be answered, and they probaly never will be. i said let it go earlier, but the un-silent majortiy came in saying these questions should be answered... any answer you guys were looking for were either answered or they werent. base your purchase off what you have read so far, if you havent seen your answer yet, get the *** on.

Honestly I don't know why you keep concerning yourself with my posts. We're clearly not on the same page, and neither of us is changing our stance. I've done my part to keep the thread on topic and I'm not saying anything negative towards you or Elite.

What is your reasoning for chiming in asking me to "drop it" or "get the *** on"? If you're annoyed by my actions, just put me on your ignore list. It won't hurt my feelings.

 

[Jhaddox]

whats the difference between questioning these vs questioning switching to a single turbo on a 6.4

both were new set ups that werent proven in either case, and both had no aspect of working better than any other set up at the current time...

IMO people are always skeptical about parts when they first come out until someone proves what they can do, (single, Craig making the power he has) (pistons, someone beating the ***k out of em and not having any problems over a period of time)

look at how skeptical people were of stock rods when Rudy went big and kept em in, they worked fine for him and now its almost the standard

 

[bigrpowr]

you are a ***king tard..how about that? you made it clear you arent willing to take a chance over $200 .... you're just being annoying, ad if you think for one second i would do you the service of ignoring you... only in your dreams. and ive taken a special interest in you now. here's where we're at:

1.you think people owe you an answer, they dont.

2. a company offered a product, you asked for them to prove it, they cant, but you wont accept that.

3. you would rather follow than lead, and are obviously afraid to take a chance.

4. you have a hard on for pistons, even though you know nothing about them and have never had a failure.

5. you have no plan of buying pistons anytime soon.

6. you must be hell on your wife on xmas.

 

[bigrpowr]

whats the difference between questioning these vs questioning switching to a single turbo on a 6.4

both were new set ups that werent proven in either case, and both had no aspect of working better than any other set up at the current time...

IMO people are always skeptical about parts when they first come out until someone proves what they can do, (single, Craig making the power he has) (pistons, someone beating the ***k out of em and not having any problems over a period of time)

look at how skeptical people were of stock rods when Rudy went big and kept em in, they worked fine for him and now its almost the standard

sorry josh, i have no answer, as does nobody else. all facts possibly relevant to this case have been spoken, but you guys still want answers. nothing is gonna change here. now maybe we can make craig the martyr here in a conversation about pistons. shouldnt we just discuss carne asada or carnita tacos? it makes much better convo and brings more enjoyment to our daily lives.

p.s. we're discussing a $200 ***king upgrade vs a $5000 investment... talk about apples to oranges.... the difference is..craig had an oppportunity to prove it, here there is obviously no possible way of proving anything, ever.

 

[PTSUPERD]

sorry josh, i have no answer, as does nobody else. all facts possibly relevant to this case have been spoken, but you guys still want answers. nothing is gonna change here. now maybe we can make craig the martyr here in a conversation about pistons. shouldnt we just discuss carne asada or carnita tacos? it makes much better convo and brings more enjoyment to our daily lives.

p.s. we're discussing a $200 ***king upgrade vs a $5000 investment... talk about apples to oranges.... the difference is..craig had an oppportunity to prove it, here there is obviously no possible way of proving anything, ever.

I really do love tacos.