Looking for some opinions

[powerstroked08]

Ok im planning on doing a low budget build here in the coming months. My truck is a cclb zf-6 speed. I currently have a mini maxx with mcc, studs, ported and coated 6.0 manifolds, coated up pipes, flo-pro intake elbow and intercooler pipe, diamond eye 5" exhaust with 4" down pipe, and S&B intake. Now my plan is to do a ported intake (either rcd or dr diesel) wastegate, and the tow power plus turbos. Now the question is it a good benifit to buy both turbos or just do the 72? i dont mind doing both and im hoping by having the larger 59mm hp turbo with the larger turbine wheel it will keep the ebp in check without having to rely on my wastegate so much. Not to mention i would think that the billet wheels being on both turbos should help with spool up and possibly help with the egt's as well as the ebp. But thats just my opinion and my hope!

 

[webb06]

if you dont mind buying both turbo in the tow power plus setup then i would get both! i dont think you will necessarily need a wastegate with those turbos although i might be wrong. i hope you already have studs or plan on including them?

 

[08BIGRIG]

I have the Tow Power Plus Turbos 59/72 on my truck with 60hp Elite nozzles and as far as backpressure gos, the numbers dont get high enough to even make the gate open. The highest number that I have seen so far with my setup has been in the mid 60's for backpressure. I am not sure if that has something to do with the ported heads, 6.0 mannies and up pipes, or other parts on my build. My thinking is that they all help out with the backpressure numbers a little bit. I am confident that you could get the 59/72 Tow Power Plus combo and not have a wastegate with stock or 60 hp nozzles.

 

[Jeff@Spartan]

I have the Tow Power Plus Turbos 59/72 on my truck with 60hp Elite nozzles and as far as backpressure gos, the numbers dont get high enough to even make the gate open. The highest number that I have seen so far with my setup has been in the mid 60's for backpressure. I am not sure if that has something to do with the ported heads, 6.0 mannies and up pipes, or other parts on my build. My thinking is that they all help out with the backpressure numbers a little bit. I am confident that you could get the 59/72 Tow Power Plus combo and not have a wastegate with stock or 60 hp nozzles.

That's awesome to hear!

 

[B585Ford]

Ok im planning on doing a low budget build here in the coming months. My truck is a cclb zf-6 speed. I currently have a mini maxx with mcc, studs, ported and coated 6.0 manifolds, coated up pipes, flo-pro intake elbow and intercooler pipe, diamond eye 5" exhaust with 4" down pipe, and S&B intake. Now my plan is to do a ported intake (either rcd or dr diesel) wastegate, and the tow power plus turbos. Now the question is it a good benifit to buy both turbos or just do the 72? i dont mind doing both and im hoping by having the larger 59mm hp turbo with the larger turbine wheel it will keep the ebp in check without having to rely on my wastegate so much. Not to mention i would think that the billet wheels being on both turbos should help with spool up and possibly help with the egt's as well as the ebp. But thats just my opinion and my hope!

My impression from everything I have read so far is what you said about the 59/72 setup. The 72 will give you a lot on performance side and helps keep things much cooler. The 59 should reduce EBP and help spool up. Everything I have read so far about the 72 says it spools as quick as stock without the HP turbo upgrade, but since you are fellow gear jammer, anything you can do to help spool up is even better. If the funds were there, I think I would do the HP turbo also, but I don't have any data at this time to back that statement. Finally, I would ditch the S&B and get the No Limits CAI There is almost no chance the S&B wouldn't cause filter minder issues with that setup.

 

[powerstroked08]

well i hope to not really need the wastegate but maybe ill try it without first and see how it works. Id like to dyno it sometime too but that will probably be several months away. Im expecting around 600 and really hoping for 650 or so but ill have to wait and see!

Finally, I would ditch the S&B and get the No Limits CAI There is almost no chance the S&B wouldn't cause filter minder issues with that setup.

And i expect to have filter minder issues sadly so i might have to get that no limits set up. The only problem is i live on a dirt road and drive on them quite often so i might end up cleaning it pretty often. But i really dont want to be starving the new chargers for air! So i'll try it out and see how the s&b does but will probably end up needing the no limits set up.

if you dont mind buying both turbo in the tow power plus setup then i would get both! i dont think you will necessarily need a wastegate with those turbos although i might be wrong. i hope you already have studs or plan on including them?

Yes im studded

 

[B585Ford]

I really hope the no WG works out for you. After driving for several months after I did the 71, ported intake manny, 6.0 exh manny and up pipes, I didn't like how high of EBPs I would see (opinions vary on if they were "safe") so I wanted to do something to get them down. I was considering just upgrading the HP turbo, but most people seemed to think I might still have issues and most recommended to just do the WG. I ended up finding a "used" one that had never been installed so I snatched it up and started collecting parts for another cab off round of upgrades. Basically, this was going towards laying the ground work for a future addition of fuel and bigger turbos so I was going to do valvetrain while I was in there. I was also going to do a HP turbo upgrade. Based on what Jerry's truck, maybe the WG upgrade won't be necessary yet after all. Obviously, his setup is different with the extra fuel and ported heads, but I am really interested to see your results. It would be great if the 59/72 combo won't cause EBP issues. If yours does well, I might just hold out on putting on the WG and upgrading the valvetrain until I am ready for the final phase (fuel and bigger turbos). Good luck and definitely keep us posted on whatever you decide.

BTW I assume you have already upgraded the clutch??

 

[08BIGRIG]

Like I said above, I have the 59/72 Tow Power Plus Turbos with 60 hp nozzles from Elite Diesel and am probably in the 750 hp area and the back pressure numbers do not get high enough with the HD300 tune to open the gate. The highest I have seen was 68 so far and that was tonight after hot rodding it around a little bit.

 

[B585Ford]

Like I said above, I have the 59/72 Tow Power Plus Turbos with 60 hp nozzles from Elite Diesel and am probably in the 750 hp area and the back pressure numbers do not get high enough with the HD300 tune to open the gate. The highest I have seen was 68 so far and that was tonight after hot rodding it around a little bit.

The fact that you ported the heads was one of the reasons I was always interested in your build. I know you just got 'er dun and then was sick so not a lot of miles of the setup yet, but sounds like a great combo. Definitely keep us posted on your threads.

OP, sorry for the derail, but Jerry's truck is definitely pertinent info.

 

[powerstroked08]

BTW I assume you have already upgraded the clutch??

yes a dd sintered iron, and dont worry about the derail jerrys truck is a pretty nice build and is a good truck for me to learn from!

The highest I have seen was 68 so far and that was tonight after hot rodding it around a little bit

Thats awesome! if your hitting 68 with 60's i should be safe with my stockers. For now:evil Although i dont know how much your porting has helped the ebp either. If i could get my hands on a set of heads really cheap i would get them ported and swap them out. But for now it looks like ill do this build and then maybe look into doing a valve train upgrade later down the road. Hopefully i can do that cab on as well!