600 HP with the DPF on?

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so just as an update i have been driving the truck all week and really struggling with the tuning on it. I keep getting a P0299 for low boost essentially. I have changed over all the 15 vgt tables with still no luck.

At first i was getting frustrated because it wouldnt make full boost or power once warm but i have basically by passed the safety for the codes and it runs strong. 30 psi of boost with 50 back pressure so far and i think i might be able get that better to 1:1 but i havent had a ton of good data logs so far so ill keep playing with it.

Feels around 475-500 if i had to ask right now. at 1100 us. I have a lot to get caught up around the house this weekend so i think im going to have to wait to dyno for another week or so but so far im impressed. this charger is pretty darn responsive.
 

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so just as an update i have been driving the truck all week and really struggling with the tuning on it. I keep getting a P0299 for low boost essentially. I have changed over all the 15 vgt tables with still no luck.

At first i was getting frustrated because it wouldnt make full boost or power once warm but i have basically by passed the safety for the codes and it runs strong. 30 psi of boost with 50 back pressure so far and i think i might be able get that better to 1:1 but i havent had a ton of good data logs so far so ill keep playing with it.

Feels around 475-500 if i had to ask right now. at 1100 us. I have a lot to get caught up around the house this weekend so i think im going to have to wait to dyno for another week or so but so far im impressed. this charger is pretty darn responsive.

have you gone up to 1300us ? your pump will handle it.
 

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I understand on my 6.4 why regens hurt mileage (uses diesel for regen) but why on a 6.7 do regen cycles hurt mileage? Is it just a increase in back pressure?

I have heard the same thing from lots of people and I honestly thought the same thing for a while. The 6.7 still uses fuel to clean the dpf, it basically does the same as the6.4 only it uses the whole bank opposite of the egr, to basically inject during exhaust stroke. The urea is only to lower nox emissions. I am no 6.7 expert but that's sure what the Ford instructor taught us in training last month. Sorry for the derail.
 

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I think honestly they just did a better job of making the regen cycle work better. I've logged regens and a clogged dpf can be cleaned in less than 10 minutes of driving. I think instead of putting a dpf on an engine that wasn't meant for it the 6.7 was designed around emissions
 

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Turbo is working really well, very happy so far. Weather has been ****ty so i have not got any driving vids or anything but the turbo spools up nicely. I am fighting some regen issues but i think they are code related to the low boost code i have been getting. At first when it would defuel it was regening about every other day. Now its regening about once a week. Still more than i like but i think im to the point now where i might have a solution to the code. The regens dont last long so i have a suspicion that since this code is active it changes the regen strategy to make sure it doesnt clog. I can monitor dpf pressure and its still low in my book and doesnt change much.
 

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I have run into a bit of a road block. My truck has been doing a regen every 100 miles. I pulled the dpf off and the tuning is completely clean. So I don't know why it's doing a regen must be pressure related. I don't have access to any of the dpf parameters to see what's going on with that. The truck drives awesome and no smoke even with it deleted so I'm happy with that. Just disappointed about the dpf on. Going to work with Bentley to see what we can do about that
 

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Is it possible that you are running too clean? I remember when the 6.4's were first deleted with stock fueling they were dirty. I wonder if you are running clean to the point where the truck is going to a fail safe regening?
 

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I'm sure there's a key cycle or hour timer that will initiate a regen, but even then, it would be a short regen if the filter is clean.

I don't think you can be "too clean".
 

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What are the egts? Possibly running to cool, not allowing it to get a high enough DPF inlet temp, therefore it can no longer regen passively?
 

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that's my concern on my 6.4

My tuning has been in a holding pattern for a few weeks (busy busy)

The truck runs cooler with my tuning than with OEM, BUT, the truck is a reg cab that runs around empty most of the time, so it's not like it ever really gets into passive mode.

It does a 10-12 minute regen about every 4hrs on the highway or every couple days in my daily routine.
 

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Any precious metals such as platinum, palladium, and rhodium need a minimum of 600*F to start working effectively. And then a alloted amount of time to soak the metals to react efficiently. Of course the damaging melting point of 1350*F and you ball up the precious metals on the subject straits of the element.

That is why there are so many thermocouplers on the exhaust system.

That would explain frequent regens for most guys especially if you never get a passive regen. Which is built into stock tuning to run alittle hotter exhaust.

Dustin, have you studied the lambda of diesel or natural gas engines? If not it's very interesting to learn and will really help with your tuning for "clean energy"
 

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I'm sure there's a key cycle or hour timer that will initiate a regen, but even then, it would be a short regen if the filter is clean.

I don't think you can be "too clean".
Yeah there are perameters for that. I think its like 1300 miles and it will do one no matter what. During the summer my truck rarely does an active regen since its hooked to my camper most of the time.


What are the egts? Possibly running to cool, not allowing it to get a high enough DPF inlet temp, therefore it can no longer regen passively?

I thought that too, so did morgan. I have been monitoring it but i honestly didnt pay close enough attention before the turbo swap. I just drove it. DOC outlet stays around 550 degrees, DOC inlet fluctuates but averages 500 degrees hince the 550 DOC temp.

So you might be onto something. but I cant verify that for sure.

that's my concern on my 6.4

My tuning has been in a holding pattern for a few weeks (busy busy)

The truck runs cooler with my tuning than with OEM, BUT, the truck is a reg cab that runs around empty most of the time, so it's not like it ever really gets into passive mode.

It does a 10-12 minute regen about every 4hrs on the highway or every couple days in my daily routine.

Thats about what mine is doing now. I think the 6.7s will eventually throw a DPF efficiency code if they regen too many times in a certain amount of miles

Any precious metals such as platinum, palladium, and rhodium need a minimum of 600*F to start working effectively. And then a alloted amount of time to soak the metals to react efficiently. Of course the damaging melting point of 1350*F and you ball up the precious metals on the subject straits of the element.

That is why there are so many thermocouplers on the exhaust system.

That would explain frequent regens for most guys especially if you never get a passive regen. Which is built into stock tuning to run alittle hotter exhaust.

Dustin, have you studied the lambda of diesel or natural gas engines? If not it's very interesting to learn and will really help with your tuning for "clean energy"

I have read more about lambda sensors then i ever care to know about lol. There are two different tables, dynamic and normal, dynamic must be during a regen. The problem is the readings that i get don't really add up to what i see as far as the tuning side goes as well as what is a true A/F ratio. so either the date that i read isnt accurate or the scale is something different.

For example the tuning calls for lambda to control smoke, the tables are around 1.2 and vary to .91 and 1.38 throughout the table. However while driving the sensor reads .56 lugging the engine and 1.2 at idle in gear and 1.3 in park. So clearly the translation is different. THey are also using the sensors post dpf, so i have a feeling that that effects the reading.

I was going to put a lambda sensor in the down pipe and watch it from my dash daq but now that drew tech doesnt own the dashdaq anymore i can not get support. So... bummer.



The other big issue im having is nothing i have reads all the right info
mini max reads boost, back pressure, pw and ICP, calculated torque

Dashdaq will read all temp sensors in the exhaust lambda and pressure sensors. but wont read PW or a good torque (which is what i need to help along with the tuning)

My auto enginuities is pretty much worthless, so i really dont have one thing i can use to data log or take info from which irritates me. And i cant swing IDS.


Im not giving up, the plan right now is to try and hit 600 with this turbo and a drop in pump and then put the dpf back on and see what happens.

Right now i have the pump maxed out at 1300 us, there is no smoke even at 28 psi. feels like 500 ish at the wheels, super super fun to drive.
 

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I have a splitter and it messes with the dashdaq and most of the time only about half of the selected pids actually show up.

My auto Enginuities might just need a new usb cable I don't remember it doing the odd stuff it's doing now
 

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I maxed out at 1330 , then 1440 with mp8 , gained 20 horse.
 

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