4r conversion folks, any regrets?
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stonepusher
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Yes, but then there post from people that are bashing it that have never tried it. The guys talkin down the 5r are guys that have tried a 5r and chose a 4r
Powerstroked162
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You don't know what you're talking about. At all
I've been around every kind of 4r swap that you can think of. 6.4,OBS 7.3, 6.6, 6.7, 5.9. I'll say what I want to about it free of judgement. It works. Works well. Great trans. It doesn't belong in a 750hp 6.4 daily driver, or even a 980hp 6.4 daily driver for that matter since Mal's truck is still running strong. Stage 5 EDE trans has yet to be broken, so why mess with it? Simply price. That's it. Just like single kits. It's not performance. It's price. Period. Now if we are talking all out drag truck build, I wouldn't blink at going with a 4r. That doesn't mean you have to, that would just be my personal preference.
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stonepusher
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Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone's got one and they all stink...... I stated my opinion take it as you see it. I can admit that I don't know a whole lot just what I have experience with, that's why I stated my experience......that is all. Why don't they belong in a daily driver? Because they don't have cruise control yet? If they got cruise control fixed would your opinion change? I just don't see why they only belong in full on drag trucks, works GREAT in my daily driver. About price, what's the cost of a EDE stage 5 5r?
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You dont need a stage 5 tho...
Crack85
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It's 10k but as Dustin says you don't need one.
stonepusher
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Ok, what's the cost of a 5r that will hold 750hp? Not trying to start a pissing match with anyone just asking questions.
Jhaddox
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Ive broke a built 5r ( as built as possible at the time) in 2000 miles at under 600 horse...wasnt a launch etc
The 4r has put up to way more already...might I have a bad experience? Sure...but Brian will fix a 4r when anyone (correct me if im wrong) that builds a 5r (besides Brian) will tell you to get bent if you break a hard part
Honestly my swap was more for who stands behind it WHEN it breaks...you have a powerful truck theyre both gonna break
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Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto
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Wow. Calm down. There is no need to get so defensive. You gave your opinion. Others gave theirs. You don't have to get upset. I use bts for all our 4r's, behind 7.3's that they came in. They do drive nice. But like Steve and many others that have been around many 4r's and 5r's, we for the most part do not agree that it is the best route for most people. I have yet to have one of our full billet 5r's come back broken. And they don't cost anymore than a bts fully built 4r. Except that you don't have to spend any money on a pcs or any extra swapping parts so actually the 5r like ours is cheaper. I'm not bashing neither are the others. We are stating our professional opinions that we have made by driving and working with trucks that have both had 4r's and 5r's.
No one said that a bts is a bad transmission. But I will not sit around and let people spread false rumors that a 4r is "stronger than a 5'r". That my friend is false and a proven fact.
They are both good but why go through more work to have an fairly equal transmission that doesn't have cruise and in the end costs more and still breaks hard parts at the same hp levels?
stonepusher
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Like everyone else, I stated my opinion and I get told I don't know anything and I'm the one who needs to calm down?! I used a old school quote and now I'm defensive? I think you need to check out the post towards me bud.
oke: :morons:
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Powerstroked162
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Like everyone else, I stated my opinion and I get told I don't know anything and I'm the one who needs to calm down?! I used a old school quote and now I'm defensive? I think you need to check out the post towards me bud.
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I'm on the road right now so I'll quote the rest later but I just wanted to say that I told you didn't know what you are talking about regarding what experience the people making comments in this thread have with 4r/5r transmissions. You can see that in my post as I quoted what you had said that needed to be addressed. It has nothing to do with your opinion on a 4r
stonepusher
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Lemme ask you this, did I single you out in my quote? Nope, all I said was there are post bashing the 4r people that have never tried it. So don't get your panties I'm a wad so soon.
oke:Not gonna quote everyone, but I'll say this.
I am going with a 5r...Brian essentially talked me out of the 4r conversion with my power goals(stock fuel, 600-650hp), saying it wasn't worth the hassle and he has no doubts that the 5r can handle it. I didn't catch any hint of hesitation on covering it with his warranty either.
On the same note, I've talked to several other 5r builders and they all give me similar information and guarantees, several said parts cost only if I break their "fully" built 5r.
I am going with a 5r...Brian essentially talked me out of the 4r conversion with my power goals(stock fuel, 600-650hp), saying it wasn't worth the hassle and he has no doubts that the 5r can handle it. I didn't catch any hint of hesitation on covering it with his warranty either.
On the same note, I've talked to several other 5r builders and they all give me similar information and guarantees, several said parts cost only if I break their "fully" built 5r.
stonepusher
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Congrats on the decision! Brian knows his stuff :ford: sorry your thread got so cluttered.
Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto
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Like everyone else, I stated my opinion and I get told I don't know anything and I'm the one who needs to calm down?! I used a old school quote and now I'm defensive? I think you need to check out the post towards me bud.
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Yeah Steve said it a little harshly. But it seems that everyone that has a 4r swap gets really mad when anyone says that it's not what they would recommend.
Your right I don't own a 6.4 with a 4r. I've driven a built 4r, quite a few of them, from many companies. They are fine transmissions. I have also driven built 5r's, quite a few of them, from many companies. I still wouldn't want a 4r in a 6.4.
I am pointing out from experience with both that I do not think the juice is worth the squeeze for most 6.4 owners.
Everyone keeps saying how bad the 5r is, please point out exact areas that a 4r is superior. Here is my shot at pros and cons of 4r swap
Pros:
If you use a bts, Brian will warranty it
It shifts faster (not really a pro unless shooting for sub 10 sec 1/4 mile times).
It has to shift less times (not really a pro unless shooting for 1/4 times).
If buying a bts it's slightly cheaper (but not really cheaper than all competitors).
cons:
No longer a factory transmission.
Must use a pcs and get special tuning for it.
Must change PCM to work with swap.
No cruise control yet.
Not really cheaper.
You loose tow haul.
You lose a gear (not as good for towing).
The shafts themselves are not really any stronger.
The converter is not really any stronger.
Not as easy to re-sell except to someone who is willing to accept the differences of a non stock transmission in the truck.
If I am missing some pro's please add them in. Likewise with the cons.
Thanks! No worries on the clutter, I think its all good discussion! :ford:
Crack85
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BOOM! My man!
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Maybe its juat single turbo guys that benefit from the 4r swap. Like watching jds video his power comes on from the start and smooth. Mine is all out once when it lights. Just a thought. I know plenty of guys that have 5rs built over and over with 475s on the street and haven't been able to keep one in it. ALSO what's everyones tunes being tuned through? Im using a Livewire and I've heard tunes through MCC shift much better!
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